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[–] [email protected] -3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

his has absolutely dick-all to do with their political configuration.

It has everything to do with the political configuration, and I've already gave a direct contrast with USSR showing what relations look like with a socialist political configuration. Politics are inherently inseparable from economics.

Because of their geographic position and ethnic sympathies, not because of their political organization.

They absolutely align with the US because of their political organization.

The benefits of social democracy are not defended by imperialism but clawed back. The institutions of social democracy are not girded but undermined.

Nowhere have I argued that socialist structures benefit from imperialism. I'm arguing that the notion of social democracy doesn't actually work to hold back imperialism and capitalism which is its state goal.

This would posit a distinctly contrary view to what you’re stating above. Far from sympathizing and allying with imperialist states, the Swedes continued their commitment to the non-aligned movement and to independent sovereignty both for themselves and for their Third World peers.

No, it's not contrary to my view at all which is that social democracy doesn't work. Capitalist class that holds power gets their way in the long run. That's precisely what the article explains.

The Swedes yearn not for their own foreign feudal lands but for the dictatorship of the proletariat.

Yet, the dictatorship of the proletariat cannot be achieved via reformism. The whole system is explicitly built to promote the interests of the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie. You can't use the master's tools will to dismantle the master's house.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Politics are inherently inseparable from economics.

That doesn't get you from "Democratic Socialism" to "Imperialism", as evidenced by your own linked article.

They absolutely align with the US because of their political organization.

Per your own linked article, they remained neutral even after the end of WW2 and sympathized more with the Non-Aligned states than either of the two Superpowers.

Nowhere have I argued that socialist structures benefit from imperialism.

Alright, asshole. I think we're done.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 10 months ago

That doesn’t get you from “Democratic Socialism” to “Imperialism”, as evidenced by your own linked article.

That's not an argument I made anywhere. What I keep telling you is that democratic socialism provides a veneer of democracy for the masses which allows capitalism to operate. Capitalism is what's responsible for the imperialism.

Per your own linked article, they remained neutral even after the end of WW2 and sympathized more with the Non-Aligned states than either of the two Superpowers.

Oh please, it's the height of dishonesty to pretend they were actually neutral after WW2.

Alright, asshole. I think we’re done.

I think we are done, you'll have to go make straw man arguments in a different thread now.