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[–] [email protected] 51 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (39 children)

I don't know how to feel about this election as an ameribro.

I'm left-libertarian (upper case left, lower case libertarian) on the political compass, which is practically not represented in US politics, so I'll take whatever I can get. Biden is, realistically, the best I can hope for this election cycle. He's not great, there's a lot of big policy issues I diverge with him on pretty sharply (both on left and libertarian), but the other candidates for the DNC are a hot fucking mess. As for the libertarian party, it's actually insane. Gary Johnson got booed for saying he'd want people to have driver's licenses to drive. That's a no go for me. And as far as the conservatives go, they run the gamut from not an instant disaster (I guess) to the loud, proud, and complete end of the republic.

Biden has at least done some things that I kinda like, and doesn't seem keen on destroying the republic. I'd love to get a reformer in and sweep Reaganism out on its wrinkled, swampy ass forevermore, but I don't think that's realistic at this point. Where I start getting worried is that the Biden campaign seems dead set on repeating some frankly terrible HRC '16 strats, which, well, we saw how well that worked for her, but the pro-Biden response is "Trust me bro, Trump is actually unelectable this time". I'm also concerned because, let's face it, Biden's old enough that he could get struck down with a stroke or what have you at any minute.* Every day, the cosmic dice are getting more and more weighted against him. The democrats have done very little to make a case for a possible candidate/president Harris, where the republicans have laid a LOT of groundwork against her. If Biden bites it or gets incapacitated, Harris is going to have a huge uphill climb in front of her.

I guess where I get uneasy is that it feels like the democrats are making a lot of avoidable and predictable mistakes, and they're just banking that it won't blow up in their face this time because, uh, what, that was that time, this is this time? They could do better, but they're just going to choose not to, and be shocked if shit goes sideways.

*I mean, so could Trump, but I'm not hoping that he wins.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 11 months ago (33 children)

I have never heard of a Left-libertarian, what are your libertarian views?

[–] [email protected] 25 points 11 months ago (7 children)

Well, typically other libertarians like to pretend we don't exist and invoke the magic phrase "you're not a real libertarian", whereas left libertarians prefer to pretend that there's more than one of us. The tl;Dr is that it's more of anti-authoritarian take than a pro-free-market take that you'd get from right lib.

On the matter of economics, I believe that free markets work and work well where they exist, which is certainly not everywhere they're imagined to. In other words, I'm not willing to imagine that markets with baked-in coercion (like healthcare) are free. Free markets require choice and, ultimately, the ability to say no without coming to harm. If I can buy a widget from Bob, a widget from Sally, or not buy a widget and suffer no cost or harm, that's a free market. I also generally don't believe in rugged individualism; poverty is, itself, a coercive force in economics. This sort of view is partly how I wholeheartedly endorse mass transit and good urbanism as a libertarian, because being functionally coerced into car ownership isn't economic freedom.

I also believe that the government does have a right to interfere with gross negligence. That is, if you're drunk driving, if you're having a bonfire and there's a high wildfire risk, or you're doing something that any reasonable person would understand is an imminent danger to the safety of others around you, the government has an absolute right to make you stop. Most right libertarians think that the government should only interfere with direct violence and that everything else can be settled in court; so basically, if you're a drunk driver, make sure you kill whoever you hit so they can't sue you. I also think that this applies to companies and organizations, not just people.

Those are, probably, pretty uncontroversial takes, and you might be thinking "so where's the libertarianism?". Well, I also think that the government has massively overstepped its bounds, especially in the last forty years or so since Reaganism. Ready? Here we go. The war on drugs and the war on terror has seen the government giving itself ridiculous powers that need to be culled immediately. The NSA mass surveillance program (which was 'killed' by the SCOTUS and resurrected by Obama and the Republicans under the cynically-named USA FREEDOM ACT later that same day) should be erased in totality. The government should not be collecting any data from any tech company on anybody without consent, a warrant, or the data being anonymized (if it's, for example, for research purposes). The patriot act should be repealed yesterday, and gitmo should be closed because holding anyone without trial is wrong, full stop. No-knock raids should not happen, period, and we desperately need police reform. The entire country is a free speech zone, and protests should not be met with brutal crackdowns. I also think that what happens between consenting adults or what a consenting adult does to themselves is nobody else's business, as long as it's without coercion. That's maybe 5% of the rant I could go on, but I don't want to write a book, and I don't think you want to read one.

Also:

-What happens between consenting adults is nobody else's business, least of all the church or the government. I'm pro sex work and pro LGBT rights.

-I'm pro-abortion rights.

-The government needs to leave the native Americans the fuck alone. 2023 and we're still fucking with them. The government needs to leave everyone alone, but they particularly need to fuck off on native Americans. That said, I think we should still financially support their recovery as a people and culture from what we've done to them, but they should get to decide the shape that takes, not us.

-I'm firmly against borders. If it was up to me, I'd Thanos snap that shit. No more borders. I know that's an extreme position, and I'd be willing to compromise for an EU-style open borders arrangement.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

In the US, you would be called a liberal.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I'm more anti-authority and further left than your average US liberal. You're not wrong, though. I once melted a Republican colleague's brain by explaining that libertarian is different than liberal.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

The way I see it in America is any real left political representation was destroyed during the cold war and the liberals co-oped the language of the left while cleansing it of it's economic ramifications. When you think of how many activists and organizers in the 60s were openly socialists vs today it tells a lot. MLK Jr. and Rosa Parks for instance are these liberal heroes but their significance as socialists is completely whitewashed, they're "courageous individuals" now who "inspire," not radicals who had a wholly different vision of American society.

Phil Ochs summarized a liberal as "ten degrees to the left of center in good times, ten degrees to the right of center if it affects them personally."

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

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