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I found such a photo on the Internet and became interested in what function such a structure could perform.

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[–] [email protected] 423 points 11 months ago (4 children)

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These are great for wildlife as they provide a safe crossing over high-speed highways. They are usually design to be in already existing migration paths where moving a proposed highway may not work and not disrupting migration paths is of importance.

[–] [email protected] 129 points 11 months ago (1 children)

So they're literally building the mountain next year. Neat.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 11 months ago

They dug it out before. Later they rebuild it. But if they wait for a year, nature suffers much.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 11 months ago (5 children)

Looks like a nice choke point for a predator to hang about.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Possibly but I’d think it’s still safer than vehicles and less disruptive to overall migration for a given species.

I wonder if there’s been any studies showing how effective, if at all, these are.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 11 months ago

There have been study's, these crossing are usually design to feel like open fields in a sense, so most animals will cross quick and on high alert to get through the "opening" in the field.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 11 months ago (8 children)

Are there any predators smart enough to strategize like this? I know that some use water holes as hunting grounds, but that's probably more instinctive than actual strategy.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Are there any predators smart enough to strategize like this?

it is the predators that build such passages. Have you ever seen any construction company building them? Even in the first photo that is under construction, there is not any human worker in sight

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

That under construction pit is the pit of the manlion. It's similar to the pit of the antlion, except for construction workers.

They always have to deal with the manlion before they start building. Often by pouring concrete over it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

So you're telling me lions and tigers built that tunnel and that natural bridge? okay.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Would they need to be that smart? Ambush predators that stay in roughly one area, for example, could naturally grow their numbers in the area around such a chokepoint simply by virtue of the ones in that area having more food available and therefore better survival chances.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I think that these human-made structures provide such a different environment (loud sounds from cars, moving/flashing lights etc.) that previous instinctual adaptations wouldn't trigger.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago

They can track other species by smell at least. If that path is used by too many and smells like a farm, they would probably get used to hang around it naturally.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

I don't think many areas exist where you have both a need and political will for building nature bridges, and also large predators.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

Maybe canines? Idk

I just think it would be dope to drive under as a dramatic fight between an elk and wolves tumbled off the side onto my vehicle. Killing all of us instantly. What a way to go!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I know octopi have been escaping their aquarium enclosures and covering their tracks that humans would see. Just to take one at a time pray from their tank. If I recall correctly even killer wailes have been taking down human boats. In conclusion there are for Shure aquatic predators that use genuine strategy. Granted with my killer waile example is a similar case of is it strategy or instinct.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Good point, not sure the the strategizing octopi will be a major concern for this crossing tho. I guess you're never really save from those devious creatures..

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Fixed it, thx!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

After seeing an aerial view of an African wild dog hunt, a coyote hanging out by a bottleneck doesn't seem outlandish. (here)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

I don't imagine it would be a major problem though maybe it would let them get one or two easy meals but predators don't hunt unless they're hungry. So once they've taken down one prey animal they'll ignore the rest. On a species level it's probably not a major issue.

As opposed to roads which will kill lots of animals.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It's taken into consideration of the design of these crossings.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I'd like to read about that,understand how it's done. it's a thought I have whenever I see them but of course the professionals designing them would have thought about it.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

There was a documentary I watch years ago where they went into great detail into this, as well as the design of these things. Can't remember where i saw this documentary though.

Anyways, researchers setup cameras trigger by movement and body heat to watch these overpasses and found no evidence of higher predetor active.

They also went into detail about how these things are design with extra width and gentle slopes to make them as "friendly" as possible depending on the specific species that will be migrating in the area, as different wildlife species prefer different types of crossing structures.

For example:

Grizzly bears and wolves

Wary animals like grizzly bears and wolves there is a "learning curve", it may take up to five years before they feel secure using newly built crossings. Grizzly bears, elk, moose and deer prefer wildlife crossings that are high, wide and short in length, including overpasses

Cougars and black bears

Cougars and black bears prefer long, low and narrow crossings such as underpasses.

Elk

Elk are usually the first large species to use the new crossings, even using some while they are still under construction!

Here are some articles that talk about some of the studies:

https://wildlife.org/wild-cam-do-predators-ambush-at-underpasses/

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-67340-8

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

Awesome, thank you.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

Yea elk don't give a fuck about much really. We have a few herds where I live and they don't even move when we walk our dogs nearby. I even have a video of one coming right up to the fence around my property, both my great pyrenees were losing their minds with the elk less than a foot away, the elk seemed more curious about the noisy little things ("little" relative to a full grown elk that is) than anything else.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago (2 children)

IIRC they just hire someone to sit there and say "shoo" at any potential predators

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

How can I get this job? I'm almost 40 and I haven't been eaten by a mountain lion yet. 100% success. I'm qualified.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago

-- Mountain Lion Sun Tzu

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

It is like that playground game, but with less violence since only one player gets hurt at a time.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It's also amazing visually! Forget regular highways! Let's have buried highways! That's especially good for if our country is invaded because we can install physical barriers to logistical supply lines against us!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Buried highways would be insanely expensive, and in the case of invasion, one well placed shot would completely kill logistics for the defenders as much as it would for the invaders, so probably not the best idea to rely on those

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

I am not a clever pony.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

That's beautiful ngl