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It's easy to "stand on the shoulders of giants" and claim some software is better when you're adding 1-5% of additional work on top of a fully developed service/app/infrastructure. It's why generally forks of software tend to have more features than the original source - See the following examples where people polish something and release it as their own improved creation:
Now, I'm not trying to say people should stop forking software, I'm all for it as it breeds competition and innovation, but to complain that a software project is not meeting your specific demands and their forks are doing so much more means you're not understanding the other projects would probably die without all the hard work that goes on in the core product.
You say this but do you have any evidence to back up the claim that it's useful and to who? Who's asking for it? What percentage of Signal users would enable the feature? Is it 1%. Is that worth it? There's barely a demand for privacy from the general populace otherwise Signal would be a hit and everyone would leave Whatsapp immediately, but it isn't.
You're the 1% of the 1% when it comes to desktop configurations if you're using a tiling window manager. I used one about 10 years ago and have yet to find one other person in the real world who has ever used one and I work in IT. Whether you like it or not, Signal developers are not going to spend any effort on making your very niche use case any better. I'm not saying that to be rude, but you have to be realistic. Your expectations are high for a free service that generally works for 99% of the population.
It wasn't my intention to state that an extensions of certain big software is always better or should get all the credit. No. First of all, I consider Molly protestware and second of all, the thing about being able to do federation and whatnot with much smaller funding was not about Molly. It was about simplex, matrix, XMPP, E2EE for Fedi and handful other decentralized/federated projects. Signal already has been downloaded hundreds of millions of times according to App Store/Play Store and received countless endorsements. And they did in fact face outages after receiving one from Elon Muskrat. So, they needed to find ways to scale better. Their server software could in theory be self hosted, but unlike Matrix or XMPP, it won't federate so in a way it's even worse than e-mail when it comes to this. One would thus think that it's implicit that they would finally add the possibility to let people run their own servers or even devolve towards more P2P-oriented design. But instead they've decided to partner with a pump and dump shitcoin scheme whose privacy-friendliness was absolute trash, though granted, that was also at a time when every tech company was trying to join the Web3 hype. Now their reach is even bigger, but has grown at a steadier pace. I won't try to go more tinfoil here with any unsubstantiated suspicions and begging the question but even though decentralized or federated systems are harder to design in a way that makes them secure, centralized ones are more abusable and create a single point of failure that can affect a large share of the user base.
Also regarding tiling compositors/WMs. Base rate fallacy. Yeah desktop linux has got 3% market share but probably somewhat more if you exclude company or public computers. But then, probably also higher among Signal users. Anyway, that's probably an Electron issue. Glad to see Flare getting better, so hopefully if it doesn't get abandoned we might soon have a viable alternative that is more lightweight, secure and integrates better with the system in a more agnostic fashion. Heck, I might be even inclined to contribute a little to that project myself.