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[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

My math is based on numbers from the USDA. your sources are narratives from biased organizations. Even they aren't dishonest enough to not admit that male calves are raised for beef. they prefer to focus on the veal production because they think it's more horrific but try to pin them down on the actual number of cattle that are brought to full weight before slaughter.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (92 children)

USDA is inherently biased toward animal farming, and the first source I linked was a scientific study. But I'm not necessarily denying what USDA says. Holding a bias doesn't automatically make something untrue. You didn't quote anything they said, you made some hasty calculations based on their statistics, which seemed to overlook the distinction between male calves and female calves. You used this to make a statement that I never disagreed with, because I was making a different one. (One could call that a strawman fallacy).

Humane League is an animal welfare organisation. Of course they're going to focus on the most ethically unsound aspects of animal farming, since that's their purpose, but nothing they said was false. They did acknowledge that some male calves in the dairy industry are raised for beef, but that most are killed for veal.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

You used this to make a statement that I never disagreed with, because I was making a different one.

I am the one who made the claim about the amount of cattle that become veal. I then supported it when you said that I was wrong. nothing you've provided actually contradicts what I have said or the data that I provided.

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