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This is the moral of every tech company. FFS, learn and keep the greeds out.
And then don't ever, ever go public. Once you go public all the greedy people will insist that you install more greedy people.
I think this is a big reason Valve did not go public
Yeah I'm not holding my breath. Hope Gabe isn't either because if he is, it only speeds up the process.
I think it’s less about going public and moreso about the people that have the ability to get to the head of that line via funds.
Why should Joe Shmoe who’s family fortune is based off mafia and cartel funds get to have say in your company? Just because of the money?
I don’t get it. I’m probably naive to facets of this process - open to hearing/learning more from more informed people
Yes. Becasue it is Joe Shmoe's money that funds the company while it builds the product. Without the money, there is no product.
Going public is a big issue, that is how Joe Shmoe gets his payback. He is the one pushing for the IPO so they can get paid.
Once that happens, the founders lose what little control they had, the control is always with the people that supply the money in the end.
Right I get it, money is needed for growth.
But maybe we just don’t need to grow so much. What if we let that excess need (due to lack of supply) spill over into competition with people who also don’t want the whole public traded, board room setup?
Idk taking the money out of business seems impossible no matter how you cut it. Maybe more self hosted and crowd hosted stuff is one solution? What are your thoughts in terms of solutions?
I have no idea how we move forward.
Currently private finding rounds hinge on convincing a few people who control millions to fund you. Part of that is showing them often highly confidential details of what you are trying to create.
Crowd finding would be much. much more difficult. Now you have to convince millions of people to give you funding, possibly exposing you to having your ideas stolen before you can develop them.
There are examples of people doing this. Cooperatives can be owned by the workers or by the customers. They're usually cheaper too.
They don't have the "move fast and break things" mentality however because by nature they don't have a billionaire sponsors, so it's harder to complete in a venture capitalist world. It's when big money dries up, like the great depression, when you'll see them popping up.
It's worked to a fair degree in gaming but yeah, not really a viable solution. Especially because the crowd itself is slowly getting robbed of its money.
the market itself is garbage. its a hot mess of under/over regulation by all the wrong actors.
tax stock trades. ever single one. tax stock ownership. tax the everliving fuck out of the stock market.
The solution I’m most interested in is eliminating the friction to seed/early stage funding coming directly from interested user communities and even better would be to also draw as much of the labor pool as possible from the same group.
I think this eliminates most of the misalignments in stakeholder interest.
We already have equity crowdfunding in the states. We need more innovation in crowdfunding platforms.
Good, healthy, properly running companies that don't owe their existence to a lot of external forces don't go public.
Going public only pays off the stakeholders in the company, like venture capitalists or employees that were under salaried and offered stock as a bonus.
Once you accept venture capital, you're pretty much down the path to going public, because the investors have an expectation of realizing their gains if the company is successful.
Clearly the problem here is unbridled capitalism, so why are you crying about tech companies specifically?? Nothing you highlighted has anything to do with tech but instead company culture in general
You're not wrong, but why not add onto it instead of being so aggressive. Tech companies do seem especially bad, but that's probably because I live in Seattle.
Yep. With respect to network effects, culture bifurcates and can do so quickly. Good eggs bring in good eggs, bad (and dangerously, mediocre) bring in bad.