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I've read that there were updated documentstgat differ fundamentally from that which is bein presented by the public (Hamas wants Israel/Jews destroyed wholesale.

How does Hamas feel about Israel and how do they feel about Jewish folks in general?

Is there anything to work with or from here? It does not help they have a far-right political orientation in terms of governance currently, thats clearly an obstacle a priori for negotiation and reasonable discourse

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Tl;Dr of history of israel-palestine conflict:

Britain colonizes Palestine and makes it Israel

Israel recognizes this as kinda bullshit and willingly offers basically half the land to existing Palestinians and also offers full citizenship to any Palestinian who wishes to remain in what is now Israel.

Palestine refuses the deal, declares war on Israel

Israel kicks their ass, again offers a deal with less land

Palestine again says no, basically a cold war begins

Other Arab countries refuse to allow Palestinians to move there, also declare war on Israel and get their asses kicked

Terrorists begin attacking Israel from Palestine, especially from the West Bank

Those terrorists are elected to run Palestine in a free and fair election

Israel begins committing human rights violations against Palestinians

We've now been at this last stage for at least two decades, possibly longer but I can't be bothered to fact check myself on the exact dates right now. And yes, this is absolutely as short as the TL;DR on this situation can get, I'm 100000% sure both sides will get upset about details I left out even in this longer story.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

What do you think should be done with consideration to RealPolitiks™️

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

The only reason anyone cares is because of post WW2 guilt and oil interests. There are other places on earth in nearly the exact same situation (two unsupportable regimes both claiming sovereignty over the same region and committing war crimes against each other) and no one cares about them, let alone even knowing what places I'm talking about, simply because there's no oil involved. The answer is fundamentally the same as when you're walking down the street and see two drunk guys hitting each other. You ignore them and keep walking. Some people just want to do bad things and there's not really anything you can do to stop them. By getting involved you inherently are forced to choose sides and now are supporting someone who doesn't deserve to be supported.