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[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

I understand what you're saying. But for a person who is now down from $5 to $2.50 to a $100 that is then taxed you're effectively making less money than you earned. That's why you can have negative net even while making take home pay.

But think about what might happen if the bill is paid incorrectly in cash. The company will absolutely take cash tips to compensate in the event that you or someone else messed up when counting the cash or giving change or whatever. With tip pools it's unlikely. But it has happened.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Wait, you're taxed on money you didn't earn?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Apparently Federal Law sort invalidates the legality of a tip pool altogether because the tip only counts as a tip if the person who tips determines who the tip is given to and how much and it's non compulsory. But a lot of places ignore that as well.

https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/state-laws-tipped-employees.html

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

Management was stealing wages from you, comitting tax fraud

Thst is not how taxes work, and if they’re reporting it that way they’re breaking the law.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

It's technically tax fraud, but yes. You could be. Back of house staff can include managers, cooks and dish washers, and even the hostess. Those people aren't paid the $2.75 to $3.75 that the wait staff are paid. They're considered hourly employees and they fall under different pay requirements under the law. A business that doesn't augment the amount of pay for wait staff not making the federal minimum wage ($7.25) an hour in tips, that business is committing wage theft. To then be paying non-wait staff out of the wait staff tips is illegal as part of the wage theft. But since the company is already committing wage theft there's no reason not to commit tax fraud to cover up the wage theft.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Managment can not legally be part of tip pools in the US,

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Please read the above thread because I recognize that it is illegal, but so are tax fraud and wage theft.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

I did. The thing is tip pools themselves aren’t inherently illegal. They’re doing illegal things with the tip pool. There is a distinction there.