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The USSR and CCP were/are Marxist states. Saying they weren't is just a cope from American socialists who feel the need to defend leftism anywhere, presumably because dumbasses think all socialists need to answer for every flaw while capitalism always has "context."
Regardless, they, and various social democracies, did do something America refuses to, solve homelessness and hunger (after some... Initial difficulties).
I don't particularly like the concept of the welfare state but it's better than nothing and union busting.
Both communist and capitalistic systems have different expressions of socialist programs. It's too bad that the transition from capitalist to communist economies stops at the authoritarian stage.
Socialism is the workers owning the means of production. It is not welfare programs. It is not a "socialist" program to give a starving person bread, it is a state run charity, and they make damn well sure it's both hard to get and try to shame you for needing it.
When society was largely feudal, was it "socialism" when the king hosted a public feast to celebrate selling his daughter to a rival warlord? Or was it him giving some of the peasant's taxes back to them and expecting gratitude?
To liberals, unironically yes, lol.
Yeah, unfortunately. If only they had access to some kind of collection of human knowledge they could use to look up basic definitions or something.