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I have a friend who’s alcohol consumption has gotten out of control. Me and his other friends/family are planning an intervention and so I’ve been doing a lot of research/reading on the topic.

NEVER and I mean NEVER have I seen so many fucking ads for alcohol in my LIFE. Instagram? 15 ads in a half hour of scrolling reels. YouTube? Ads. Google results? Ads. Twitter? Ads.

It’s fucking everywhere and it’s SICK. I’m researching how to help someone stop drinking and I’m getting inundated with ads for anything from gin, beers, vodkas and more. I can’t even imagine having an alcohol issue and trying to find help for myself with the web being this way.

It’s fucking sick.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago (3 children)

It's possible that she looked up information about cutting down on drinking, and because you're connected in the ad network system, you also got ads from it. They like to learn who is connected to who and target ads that way. Facebook is, as you might predict, one of the most notorious.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Also, his purchases of alcohol may have made it to an advertiser. He may simply not have noticed he was getting ads until his wife talked to him about drinking too much.

The whole "phones are listening all the time" thing could be true, and wouldn't surprise me, but to my knowledge no hacker or privacy monitor has ever found evidence that they do. Always just seemed more likely to me that people just expose information without realizing these systems are much more ubiquitous and complex than just microphones illegally listening.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Na, it's parsed from conversations. I don't know why everyone always tries to explain the connection when it's quite obvious your phone is designed to use your spoken words for ads.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's not. On the one hand is however many people saying "it's obvious!" and on the other hand is no evidence of network traffic transmitting audio data. Why spend all the power to transmit audio, autotranscribe, and parse for specific keywords when they already track your browsing habits and those of your housemates?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's decoded on the device with the dedicated audio processor built into every smartphone since about 2010.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Is there any proof of this?

Listening to, and understanding, everything said within range of the phone should use noticeable processing power.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I disagree. Consider the average internet user and how much they willingly give up about themselves online. Most of them use social media and have everyone they've ever met added on it, they post directly about what they're doing and often who they're doing it with, and they lend their engagement at things they like. They use Google for a search engine and don't block ads.

So really, for the probably 80-90%+ of the population that captures, the massive surveillance network in place just at that level is perfectly sufficient to gleam anything they might want to know. Even if someone does protect their privacy, people they're connected with still influence their profile through their lack of concern for privacy.

So really, with all that in place, what's the incentive to have a top secret voice surveillance system built on top of all that? It would destroy the market for any phone doing it if it was ever proven. Why take that risk when you can get everything you want from all those other sources instead?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yeah if I didn’t trust her to tell me specifically if she’d done it I’d’ve thought that. But she’s been there in the past herself and was less concerned than I was. Also she’d’ve definitely told me when I complained about the ads

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

There could also be cues from the rest of your observable behavior even if it wasn't explicitly searched for. They have a lot of data to work with and your circumstances probably aren't unique, maybe there are signs they are aware of that you wouldn't be.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Bless you for using two different double contractions

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I’dn’t’ve even noticed if you’d’nt mentioned it lol