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Reading through the comments is making me interested in the difference in transgendered people in cultures with gendering versus ones that keep it neutral.
Like if there are more trans in neutral cultures because gendering isn't as important, and where gendering is cultural there are less due to an ingrainedness of it all?
Gender variant expression is found across all human societies (probably gender/sexual dysphoria too), but transgender identification (and third genders) seems highly culturally dependent.
Hard to know what impact language has. It's perfectly possible that in cultures without as much linguistic gendering, there's less trans identification because there's less gendered language to attach to or push away from.
I don't think there is much relation between a community using a language with no genders and its transgender population size. Take China for example. The nouns in Chinese are not gendered, and the pronouns used to be gender-neutral until about a hundred years ago when "她" (she) emerged. There are few transgender people in China, partially due to the fact that they are not officially recognized, but I don't think there would be many transgender people in China even if the government legally allowed it.
That's a wild take. What makes you say that about China?
Because transgender is a concept that started in the western part of the world. It still has a long way to go to make its way into the East Asian countries. Take Taiwan for example. They legalized same-sex marriage a couple years ago, making them one of the most open places in Asia to the concept of LGB, but there aren't many transgender people there either.
Oh, so we are just going to completely ignore the long history of thai lady boys and them being a sign of status.
Thai culture is pretty different from Chinese culture (compared to other cultures in Southeast Asia). I did somehow forget the existence of Thailand when making my previous comment though, sorry about that.
So are you going to adjust your statement about transgender being a western creation, or are you just going to keep being wrong?
I am not going to adjust my statement. I feel like you are just looking to start an argument and I politely refuse to participate.
Oh, so because you were wrong, you are just down voting and walking away. Got it. That's fine. Points aren't points in lemmy. You can down vote with all your alts, I don't care.
God run away into whatever corner you need to. I'm just really sorry that you were never taught that it's okay to change your opinion when presented with facts.
Best of luck.
My friend, a simple Google search of "historic transgenderism in Asia" brought up plenty of information.
This one has it dating to 1540.
Here's a published paper on it.
I'm pretty sure transgenderism is nothing new throughout all of history in all parts of the world.
But to call it strictly Western is patently false.
And another one.