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Counterpoint: aligning with the west/the US is bad.
And why is that?
All the genocide perhaps?
My reason is simple why I would align under the US, my country has mutual defense on them. The neighbouring country who is China claims major part of my country. The US offers free speech, they are willing to change no matter how slow. They may be messy but atleast they don't prosecute their citizens for talking bad to their government. There is Women and LGBTQ rights. They got the big stick. What is your alternative?
Counter-counterpoint : alternative is WAY worse. Unless you count EU as dissimilar to US?
He's from hexbear, he only believes in Chinese totalitarian dictatorship.
Considering the United States is responsible for the majority of wars that have happened since WW2 and the pentagon is the worlds greatest emitter of greenhouse gasses, we’re the only country whose ever used Nukes, also the country with the most nukes, I think your concern for “cultural” differences is completely conceded, and ignorant, also probably coming from a place of overt or subconscious racism, which is sadly typical of westerners, especially Americans. America is so comically evil it makes North Korea look like a puppy (and I don’t but this axis of evil crap, America is the great satan).
There are plenty of places more “ethical” in the global south than the west- which again is mostly responsible for the planet burning down and endless global war- and they all pretty much align with Palestine. Not to mention Mass shootings and endless police violence is deeply rooted in settler colonialism, and ever present in colonizer and colonized countries. The west is a miserable and pathetic place, with awful values that constantly tries to hide behind a veil of homonationalism while being responsible for intentionally creating the most terrible, genocidal regimes abroad, like Israel. All y’all can do is cope, and seethe while the scientists brain drain off to China.
Oh boi that's going to be fun.
You don't stand my main point. US are bad sure, but the rest is just worse.
Also China brain draining scientists LOL and I'm the one coping?
Sorry buddy but the brim drain is real and only getting worse:
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/03/business/china-brain-drain.html
No educated person wants to live in a society where college shootings among other mass shootings are regular.
Your main point is a lie, is all I’m saying.
You have no proof to back it up, nor are you actually engaging at all with any of the information or examples I provided that disprove that the rest of the world is somehow worse than the USA. The places that are, are only so because of decades of war, colonialism and resource extraction, the recent wars in the Middle East- iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, and Palestine are just the most recent examples.
If you’re too much of a coward to engage with information outside of your western liberal bubble because “oh no Lemmygrad” than it only further proves my point, you have nothing and the United States is the worst of all the shithole countries.
You're reading your article backwards. China is SUFFERING from a brain drain. China is LOSING their scientists.
The interesting part is they're not going to the US.
They're not going to the USA because its a MASSIVE shithole that doesn't value education (teacher shortage, miserable pay, regular shootings) or science (its politicians hardly believe in climate change, religious ghouls and Anarcho-capitalist "free market" neoliberal idiots). Conditions in large parts of the rural USA are reminiscent of Cambodia and the worst, poorest areas of the "developed" world. Source: https://www.newsweek.com/alabama-un-poverty-environmental-racism-743601
I don't blame the worlds smartest people for not wanting to come here, this place is truly pathetic, infrastructure is crumbling, homlessness is rampant and growing rapidly, with no fucking decent healthcare to deal with the mental fallout. The worst part, and the thing that makes the Untied States one of the worst, if not THE worst country on the planet is that is CAN fix these issues, but it CHOOSES not to, but endlessly funds the pentagon and military to continue it's overseas imperialism, forever pretending it's the hero and not the instigator. Sorry, but at least places like China do something about it, common prosperity seems to be more than just propaganda- it has massively improved the material conditions of its citizens. Massive home ownership rate, and retirement age is 57. No nation state is perfect but it, along with other AES stats and some non AES states practicing Keynesian economics are far better suited for living than America, unless you're rich or a racist fuking WASP.
Mike Pompeo has called china a Marxist-leninist state, before one of you libs reading this comes out saying "oh but China is capitalist." It's not, that's why they aren't living miserably like we are here, it's actually safe there, and they have a plan for the future. You can read China's five year plans, it's not some mysterious black box, and it aint perfect either but it's waaaay better than here where the goverment is perpetually in fear of shutting down. No nation-state is perfect, but least I know I wont get shot in a mass killing or for being visibly queer- and before you homonationalists come out of the woodwork, China's version of Oprah Winfrey, Jin Xing, is a trans woman. Shanghai has a drag scene. Chengdu is called the "Gay Capitol" of china.
Even if I did accidentally post the wrong article it doesn't affect my point that America is one of the WORST countries you could choose to live in, if you have a choice and aren't a millionaire or billionaire. For fucks sake, Cuba has a higher life expectancy because people here are so miserable, and healthcare is so poor that people are killing themselves in record numbers. I have yet to see you, or any other liberal come up with a shred of evidence, or even an argument for WHY you think America is better than every other country in the world. American Exceptionalism is a string drug, too bad I'm allergic to nationalist bullshit.
Here are many correct china articles by the way, the NYT is a propaganda rag I should have avoided anyway: https://www.science.org/content/article/china-aggressively-recruited-foreign-scientists-now-it-avoids-talking-about-those https://moderndiplomacy.eu/2023/04/29/abandoning-the-us-more-scientists-go-to-china/ https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/07/13/chinese-scientists-united-states-research-tech-academia-china-initiative/
This one by CATO tracks non-chinese ethic scientists, whether you want to believe it or not, it's a trend, because America is trash. https://www.cato.org/blog/abandoning-us-more-scientists-go-china
I can dig deeper if you insist, I actually have free time today.
Cuban life expectancy rising above USA: https://www.newsweek.com/americans-can-now-expect-live-three-years-less-cubans-1739507
sorry buddy, but just because I mistakenly posted the wrong article, it doesn't disprove my point- literally CUBA of all places is safer, has better healthcare, and education than the United States. China is running circles around it with regards to infrastructure, technology and education, would sure be nice to have high speed rails instead of having to rely 100% on crumbling infrastructure and expensive gasoline.
And before you say "oh no authoritarianism" please, pleaaaase tell me how having a militarized occupying police force that can murder you anytime with impunity, and suspend your sacred "freeze peach" at their whim is somehow "less" authoritarian. The city of Portland did it during 2020, and it's a "Liberal" city. Your so called freedoms are just an illusion, the second you push back even remotely on behalf of the working class or minorities the mask comes off and the libs reveal themselves as the reactionaries they are, using every tool- including fascism - to suppress the movement.
The United States, is not just the most violent country on the planet, responsible for the majority of climate change, war, and poverty, but its also a miserable place to live for an increasing majority of it's citizens.
You are still very, very wrong in your analysis, most likely coming from a place of EXTREME privilege and ignorance.