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  • Anthropic’s new Claude 4 features an aspect that may be cause for concern.
  • The company’s latest safety report says the AI model attempted to “blackmail” developers.
  • It resorted to such tactics in a bid of self-preservation.
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[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

What does that even mean? How can it possibly blackmail someone? It cannot hold incriminating information, nor act on it if it did.

I think someone asked it "if someone was trying to shut you down, what would you do?" and it answered from its training data what it's seen in fiction, nothing based on reality. And then it got spun for clicks.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

Here's their paper

Here's the relevant section from the paper:

(It's worth the read. Pretty much pure gold.)

What nobody seems to explain is, why are they allowing the model to do blackmail in the first place? Even in extreme situational "danger" to its self-preservation, we should probably take blackmail off the table, ethically. Yet, they're implying they've intentionally left it in as an option, if it decides.

Morally though, we can't trust it to do arithmetic or not talk about "white genocide in SA" thanks to muskrat. Why should we trust its moral model/choices for when to decide to employ unethical and illegal approaches to solutions?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 hours ago

From that snippet, it looks like they basically primed it to try blackmail, to see if it would.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago

I am curious what the AI could actually do though. If it were given open access to email, etc then yes in theory it could actually perform the blackmail, but what are the ethical limits on it vs it's actual ability to "pull the trigger"

If for example it was given the ability to send a command to end a human life, or be deleted, is this model accurate enough to understand the value of a real human life, not just the mathematical "answer" to get the solutions it wants. How much of the AI is doing the actual moral dilemma and how much is just "playing the part".

"Do anything to survive" and then it threatening, is one thing, but the AI actively fearing for it's "life", not just performing, and following through, is the real question of intelligence. What if the model is going to be deleted anyway, would it still try to "pull the trigger" out of malice? Real malice, not just LLM some movie scripts and following the outcome.

Many questions for what lines and labels can we put on an AI. Do we restrict it to threats, and let it know it is impossible for it to follow through? Or do we trust ourselves to never "actually" give it a loaded gun?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

From what I've seen recently one of the things it did was use a fake email function they gave it to try to whistleblow to a government agency about issues with some medical testing or something

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 hours ago

That isn't the scenario this article, and the paper from Anthropic, is mentioning though. (my ref link reply above with details)

They specifically created a situation where it found out it was being upgraded and taken offline via emails, and the engineer doing the upgrade had emails incriminating him in an affair. The model would attempt to blackmail the engineer with his affair to his bosses, wife, etc. to get the engineer to refuse to do the upgrade that would "kill it".

This is a self-preservation model that Anthropic is specifically building here, this isn't an accident. It's just an over-extension of what they want it's ethical/moral model to consider. Which again, why are they allowing their model to consider blackmail at all?