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That’s not the context though and misrepresents the situation.
The Speaker of the House invited this guy because he knew of him from his riding. Without doing research or looking further into the circumstances of this individual’s service, the speaker made the decision to recognize this individual.
This has nothing to do with the PM. It’s the speaker and he resigned.
It’s pretty disgusting that people try to twist this into a partisan issue so they can dig at the PM. It’s disingenuous and kind of shitty to misrepresent this situation tbh.
Oh man I didn't realize he resigned over this. I guess it's the kind of egg on your face mistake a political career can't really recover from though...
It's a brutal mistake. As far as speakers go, they're supposed to be apolitical - putting the decorum and honour of the house above all else - though they're elected officials. They really shouldn't be anything of interest ever, it's literally a protocol role. So this guy... Even IF he was really good at his job as a member of parliament, and well liked among all parties, his career is over
I'm wondering if somebody influenced that speaker. Russian propaganda is now using this that Zelensky (who was present at the time) was clapping when that Nazi was honored.
Could just be an honest mistake, but it doesn’t mean he shouldn’t be held accountable and I’m glad he has been. If I read the headline correctly I think the PM has also made a formal apology on behalf of the Canadian government as well but someone feel free to correct me on that because I didn’t quite get to reading the article.
I think the Speaker’s riding is North Bay? The way a lot of small towns / northern cities work is someone tells you “oh I know him he’s a good guy” and you just kind of take it at face value until you find out otherwise.
Now that’s not the way international protocol should work, obviously, and of course the Russians are going to use it.
I don’t necessarily believe he was “put up to it” because the simplest explanation is just Northern Ontario word of mouth gone awry and applied to an international diplomatic event where it absolutely should have been fact checked. If I recall correctly, the Speaker said it was a last minute decision.
I have a contact in the house so I can update if I hear any whisperings. My question is: is the Chief of Protocol responsible for reviewing the Speaker’s remarks. The answer could quite conceivably be no, and if so I think that process should be reviewed.
so the conext is that they don't do some basic research? pretty sure that's worse than a single one time oopsie.
The PM isn't a dictator with total control over who gets to invite people to Parliament
In fact it's the opposite case here, the PM has neither control nor responsibility.
The speaker of the house is the defacto boss of the parliament and that's who invited the nazi. Even if they knew the history of everyone who enters the building, the PM couldn't have prevented the speaker from inviting this guy. Had ANYONE known this guy's history, this wouldn't have happened.
This is true, the speaker is by all accounts a professional and well respected man with an impeccable, non partisan service history who made one of the most gigantic individual fuck ups in our patliaments history. If anyone had known beforehand the speaker would not have let him speak.
1000000% agree
"We have here in the chamber today [a] Ukrainian Canadian world [war] veteran from the second world war who fought [for] the Ukrainian Independence against the Russians and continues to support the troops today even at his age of 98." The Canadian Prime Minister heard this man was a Nazi and then started clapping. I don't understand how much more black and white this could be.
Yes let everyone, despite everything else going on at the time, pause in the moment to recall the finer points of WW2 geopolitics because everyone obviously has all those facts at the forefront of their mind at all times.
List of people who clapped: literally everyone.
I watched at home and didn’t clue in and I didn’t have cameras pointing at me documenting an internationally significant diplomatic event.
This is not the own you think it is.
Bruv, bruv, this is the bare minimum, I swear. If you cannot recall that WWII was Nazi Germany vs the Soviet Union, you aren't prepared enough to have opinions on the modern conflict or any aspect of geopolitics. This isn't the finer points.
Mhm.
I don’t think you’re arguing in good faith. There were more countries involved in WW2 than Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union but, as I said, I’m not an expert and I don’t expect people to be.
It was a mistake on the part of the speaker, he owned it, and then the government apologized. Case closed. Don’t be a partisan hack.
If the 'Mhm' didn't make it clear, I'm not excusing people from any party. Every single person who clapped should be stripped of power and be given the choice of exile or execution. They're either a Nazi sympathiser or conman. There is no third option. Either they are profoundly uninformed and therefore scamming the Canadian public and should be treated as traitors, or they are willing to clap for Nazis and should be treated as traitors. I appreciate that not everyone is an expert on WWII, but this doesn't require expertise or subject knowledge. This is the most basic and important bit of information for modern geopolitics. It's such a simple thing that I'm baffled to be talking to someone trying to imply there is any possibility that someone would not know and be able to recall at a moment's notice.
You are completely unhinged and need a better therapist.
Completely unhinged statement, according to [email protected]: Nazis should not be in charge of Canada.
NO NAZI IS IN CHARGE OF CANADA OR EVEN ANY COUNTRY IN THE WEST, INCLUDING UKRAINE.
Stop spreading Russian propaganda.
Alright great, so you'll have no problem with getting rid of all the people who clapped, and the guy they clapped for. Then we're in complete agreement.
My brother in Marx you need to learn how to read
Are you intentionally misgendering them? Read their username
I beg your pardon? I didn't see any pronouns in their name, unless you think they identify as a hotel in Vegas?
If their name was dave@handle would you call them "my sister in marx"