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Okedoke, well I just learned that I have no concrete grasp of political labels and need to do a LOT of research.
Extreme simplification:
Liberalism: supports capitalism. Current system + tweaks
Leftism: supports anticapitalism of some form, the two biggest umbrellas being Marxism/Communism and Anarchism
Marxism/Communism: supports collectivization, public ownership, and central planning (I have an introductory reading list if you want to learn more, or just read Principles of Communism)
Anarchism: supports full horizontalism and networks of communes
Thank you for the reading list! I'll take a gander :)
They're conveniently leaving out the entire concept of Socialism for some reason, while making sure to mention Marxism by name.
No problem!
Sorry to say I'm a self aware liberal capitalist. I must say I love to consoom (with some moderation)
You can still get goods and services in Socialism and Communism, I don't know what you mean by "consooming."
New kids are trying to pretend that liberal means centrist instead of its actual meaning which is simply "not conservative"
Liberalism is an ideology. Conservatism is a position on an ideologic binary. Uf you ascribe to Liberalism you are claiming belief in a very specific form of government and economy. If you claim to be a conservative you need to clarify what kind of conservative you are.
That is not and have never been it's meaning. In fact, conservatives are a type of liberal.
No they are not unless if they are conservative Liberals. A conservative Maoist and a conservative libertarian have very different ideologies despite being conservative within their own binaries. This is due to the fact that conservatism is a position in a binary and is not an ideology.
You can be a conservative and be illiberal.
Ok, sure. But the "conservatives" that they were referring to are liberals.
They state "In fact, conservatives are a type of liberal" and that's objectively incorrect.
If you deliberately ignore context, sure.
I have news for you. The most notorious conservatives in the last few decades (Reagan, Thatcher, Trump, to name the most significant) are all neoliberals.
Economic liberalization, according to Wikipedia, is the lessening of government regulations and restrictions in an economy in exchange for greater participation by private entities. Policies in service of this include privatization, deregulation, depoliticisation, consumer choice ("the invisible hand of the free market"), globalization (economic imperialism), free trade, monetarism, austerity, and reductions in government spending. These policies are designed to increase the role of the private sector in the economy and society.
You might not realize it, but this encompasses the entirety of your US political options. For example, when Democrats say they want to make housing more affordable; they don't mean they want a government-driven effort to build housing, control rent prices, or win any ground back from corporate landlords. They mean they want to supply tax incentives to big business and "cut red tape" by deregulating the housing industry. They talk about it differently, but at the end of the day they want and work towards the same things as Republicans, if not in a slightly less obviously fascist way.
Liberalism overall is a conservative ideology. The way american media uses these terms is completely disconnected from reality. They don't want you to understand that who you're cheering for does not represent you or further your views. They don't want you to understand what leftism is, they just want you to be afraid of it. They want you to pick a flavor of conservative and think you made progress for the social good.
Also if you are going to wikipedia for”conservative” you should note the three guys listed at the top argue for different governmental systems. If this is news to you then it’s best to stop here.
Not really sure what you're arguing or if you even read my entire comment lmao this is a waste of time
I agree given the extreme euro-centrism of your claims as well as the fact that they are objectively incorrect it is a waste to continue with you as you know nothing.
Your racism/Euro-centrism is worth addressing.
I admit it took me way longer than it should have to realize you are trolling. My bad.
i have news for you the Ayatollah of Iran also a conservative. This is because “conservative” is a position
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