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[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 week ago (12 children)

It's not reductionist to say that China has all the elements of a Capitalist mode of production.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (8 children)

I swear to god ultras are more interested in the sort of masturbatory philosophising of categories than it actually producing any useful insights. It's the most anti Marxist thing to insist that a thing has to be only a singular thing with a concrete and rigid definition, it's like Marx didn't bludgeon you with dialectical materialism hard enough on practically every work of his. He spends decades insisting on the dialectical process and the necessary work to resolve contradiction through material means, which is an integral part of development, only for y'all to go "but this is vaguely like thing, how can it be other thing?"

Man said communism and the abolishment of the commodity form, of private property, the development of the productive forces, couldn't be achieved overnight, and every ultra went "but it's already been overnight, so now it can be, right?"

China has all the elements of a capitalist mode of production

It does when you ignore all the material differences. A state where the biggest capital holders are regularly punished if they break the law or step out of line politically is not a state where capital has final say.

There's been no counter revolution in China, the organs of proletarian power remain in place even as reforms have been undertaken in every facet of life in China. It is the utmost chauvinism to pretend to know better than the biggest communist party in the world where even local officials are required to study Marxism diligently. Being really confident and having misunderstood Das Kapital to be a prescriptivist economical taxonomy doesn't make you an authority on Marxism. Applying that shit is what does.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 week ago (7 children)

A state where the biggest capital holders

So you admit it is capitalist?

are regularly punished if they break the law or step out of line politically is not a state where capital has final say.

The state are capitalists, they employ workers in state enterprises and pay them a wage in exchange for their labor. They are just a different aristocratic rank then the private capitalists

There’s been no counter revolution in China, the organs of proletarian power remain in place even as reforms have been undertaken in every facet of life in China.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/996_working_hour_system

This system would NOT be possible in a DoTP.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

So you admit it is capitalist?

Are you twelve? Jfc.

It's obvious you're skimming a comment for gotchas, so I find it just as likely you've skimmed excerpts of Marx rather than take on the rather arduous task of reading and understanding him, let alone fucking applying any of it

Infantile disorder moment.

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