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If you want people to work from the bottom up to achieve the necessary changes to prevent this country from being genocidal you will rapidly discover that neither the Democratic nor Republican parties can be that vehicle. They are our enemies and work against us, only dithering with cynical PR and pandering to avoid losing without actually needing to deliver on any demands. Unprincipled attempts to enter and change the Democrats on their terms leads to alienation or cooption, e.g. "the squad" supporting Israel or getting destroyes by capital.
Rather than support a genocoder, please do the actual change work. At least then you can see it fail and then do actually useful things against the genocidal empire.
Uh, duh? So start replacing them at the base levels and change our foundation? I didn't say to keep voting for them locally?
Do what work? What's the plan?? Are you running for local government where you are?
ALL CAREER POLITICIANS ARE "GENOCIDERS" from what I have seen so far in my life on this planet. This is why normally I will not vote for a major 2 party candidate. I want to be able to vote again in the future, so I'm willing to do my best to try and make that happen.
What are you actually saying and doing? No where have i found a coherent cohesive plan for us citizens to unite and change this major issue. What's our truly viable recourse here?
Please explain like I am 5.
Right that's not going to work. But if you are wed to a failing electoralist strategy that will fail it is better to commit to it so that you can observe that failure sooner.
The work of building socialist organizations.
To build the size and quality of socialist organizations until they reach a large enough size to make demands that require real responses. Escalation. And to then depose the capitalist system via the means available to us. And before that, to survive the violence coming for us as conditions degrade and we are not yet big enough.
Why would I?
That's right.
What's the point of your vote if you use it to support genocide? When politicians aren't really answerable to their voters in the first place? When you have always voted third party, i.e. made your vote into a statement? Instead, just actually be against genocide. Tell others to not support genocide. Do actually helpful political work.
Building socialist and anti-imperialist organizations that are in solidarity with Palestinians. Educating the public. Running BDS campaigns. Materially contributing directly to Gazans.
The vast majority of people are not organized and are not politically educated. They can't demand anything because they don't know what to demand nor do they have discipline to shed the propaganda handed to them by the two major parties. This "left" won't even withold their votes! Why would anyone ever take them seriously? You must build leverage and make credible threats to have political power.
This starts with the basics of organizing and of political education.
The most viable course to stop genocide in Palestine will come from overseas by people actually fighting Israel or undermining its sponsor's (America's) ability to isolate and weaken resistance actors. Multipolarity and a decline of the US itself that this would necessarily entail due to the economic system it has maintained. We can help this by helping those doing resistance work and by educating each other. We can minimize the harms of a declining empire by building against militarism locally. Don't support weapons manufacturers, picket them and make life more expensive for them. Kick their unions out of labor orgs. Fight against the racism and xenophobia that liberals will be embracing evet more in order to justify their warhawk policies.
With organization, you will see escalations and overreactions that build organizations. The Biden admin wanted to ban TikTok because they did not hide the genocidal violence. We should be able to build from these kinds of reactions, all it will take is repeated attempts until it snowballs. Build, act, receive reaction, build from the reaction, act, etc etc.
I can't sorry but please don't hesitate to ask questions.
Why are you even agreeing with him here? Last when i check overwhelming most of coutries, parties and politicians "on this planet" do not commit genocide.
I was assuming they meant that all mainstream US politicians were on board with the genocide of Gaza. But maybe I was being too generous.
Then it would be true, but in the context it sounded like preamble to lesserevilism genocide (which that person is also doing completely openly so it's supported assumption).