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Navy officer lost job for secretly installing internet on warship to check social media (fortune.com)

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A U.S. Navy chief who wanted the internet so she and other enlisted officers could scroll social media, check sports scores and watch movies while deployed had an unauthorized Starlink satellite dish installed on a warship and lied to her commanding officer to keep it secret, according to investigators.

Internet access is restricted while a ship is underway to maintain bandwidth for military operations and to protect against cybersecurity threats.

The Navy quietly relieved Grisel Marrero, a command senior chief of the littoral combat ship USS Manchester, in August or September 2023, and released information on parts of the investigation this week.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

OK, let me just break this down for you. Rates are a job in the Navy. For example, in that wikipedia article, a Fireman recruit is a rate -- their job. Their rank would be a Seaman Recruit. Their paygrade would be an E-1.

In your example, a Constructionman would be an E-3. Constructionman would be their rate. Their rank would be Seaman.

You can see this better at https://www.defense.gov/Resources/Insignia/

They don't list rates, because there's many, many, many different jobs in the different branches. The Navy is odd in that they usually refer to each other by rates, not ranks. In every other branch, people usually refer to each other by rank and not their MOS/AFSC/Whatever. It would be weird in the USAF for example to refer to some Airman First Class as 2A33C or whatever.

You can see this further explained at https://www.military.com/navy/enlisted-rates.html where they list the rates and talk about them but then they list the ranks and talk about them. They are tied together by paygrade.

And once again, in the US Navy, an enlisted person can literally not have a rate and be called Unrated until they are assigned a rate. Usually this happens to very junior enlisted.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Youre mistaken. A "rate" is where you are on the E1 - E9 paygrade scale. A "rating" is your assigned job, what you get after A school. A Fireman has a rate of E-1/3. He does not have a rating because he hasn't been to A school. You can also "strike" for a rating by testing into it, but thats rarer.

There is more history about this confusing system here Note that this is from a .mil site specifically about Navy history. The article is from 2019.

The United States Navy's enlisted rank and rate system is unique among the armed services. The first point of divergence is the term "rate," used in the Navy rather than the more-familiar term "rank," which is reserved for naval officers and warrant officers. The second unique aspect of Navy enlisted rates is the inextricable linkage of rates, which represent a Sailor's pay grade, and ratings, which denote an occupational specialty. For example, where a notional Sergeant Smith may have a military occupational specialty (MOS) of infantryman in the Army, he would simply be designated Sergeant Smith, both in conversation and on official documents. A Sailor of equivalent rank/rate with a rating of boatswain's mate would be Boatswain's Mate Second Class Jones. Thus, the Navy combines rates and ratings in Sailors' titles.

To complicate matters further, the Navy considers Sailors in the E-1 to E-3 pay grades "nonrated," meaning they do not yet hold a rating.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I don't want to keep replying to this but in response to your 'this is from a .mil site specifically ...' I linked to the DOD's actual gov website.

This article is relevant for NAVPERS 18068F because the Navy has all of this annoying traditions, like referring to '-' as Tack like they are pretending to be a flagman from 1835 on a ship and refer to a snackbar as a gedunk and blah blah blah.

But they still have a military rank. Sure, if you ask someone enlisted person what their 'rate' is they are going to respond with "PO1" if they are a Petty Officer First Class but if you have a CAC ID, under RANK it is going to say PO1 with the USN's seal in the top-right. Because it is their military rank. The USN can call it a rate as well and traditionally it can be known as a rate in the USN but it is still a military rank. It will even say that on your ID card if you have one or have had one. As I recall, this is also true for the old green ID cards.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

It's not a tradition, it's the correct nomenclature. The article I posted isn't talking about history, it's talking about how rate/rank works in the Navy.

Your link has to do with ratings, I.e. jobs. That is a distinct thing from rate, i.e paygrade. It refers to enlisted by ratings and paygrade, never rank.

As to military ID, they use a generic format that has "rank" and "grade" listed. This format is used for all US armed forces, enlisted and officers, and as such is a generic catch all since all other branches of the military use rank for enlisted. For uniformity sake, the card omits the Navy's odd quirk.