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Can someone compare PGP (delta chat) with Telegram privacy? (lemm.ee)

submitted 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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I don’t want to see PGP rejection based on usability. So, to level the field at user level we take Delta Chat, which uses PGP. If I understand that correctly.

I have no knowledge of telegram security at all.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Agreed.

No audit...then we don't know.

Have you seen an audit for SwissCows' Teleguard?

I've been testing it for a few days now, after a comment about it here.

They claim to not store your chats, they're deleted after delivery. To sync a new device requires an encrypted backup from an existing device.

I've tested this by restoring a backup from yesterday to sync a new device, and it only has data from yesterday.

That said, I really don't know how trustworthy they are.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

Nice, I hadn't heard of them until now, either.

I'm just excited that end-to-end-encrypted services have become in such high demand that we're seeing lots of different implementations.

It took a while, but it looks like Veilid finally has a basic chat built in their protocol as well. It says it's secure, but I can't find any info on its particulars.

https://gitlab.com/veilid/veilidchat

[+] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Meh. I only read a translated version, so it's hard to tell nuance.

But nothing in there is inaccurate. Maybe overstated.

Personally Signal seems trustworthy, but... I have some ambivalence, given their bullshit reasons for dropping SMS support. They claimed it cost them engineering, which is at best wrong, at worst a flat out lie. Signal has nothing to do with how SMS is managed - it merely hands the message to Android's SMS system. It's trivial. So why would they drop support and use that lie?

When I'm being misled, I start to look at everything else as having a bit more validity.

Plus UI/UX on signal sucks. It's no better than the lamest SMS app. Hell, old SMS apps are better. And no multi-device sync. They claim it can't be done and maintain encryption. Right. Clients just need to use the same encryption key...like Telegram does, and now Teleguard - and they're claiming full e2e at all times.