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Generative AI steals art.
Procreate's customers are artists.
Stands to reason you don't piss your customer base off.
No it doesn't. Drop that repeated lie please
You are right, generally, generative AI pirates art and the rest of the content on the internet.
How do you know AI companies straight-up pirate the art and don't just buy a copy to train their models?
That is at least borderline more correct, but it's still wrong. It learns using a neural network much like, but much simpler than, the one in your head
It doesn't "learn" anything, its a database with linear algebra. Using anthropomorphic adjectives only helps to entrench this useless and wasteful technology to regular people.
Trying to redefine the word "learn" won;t help your cause either. Stop being a luddite and realise that it is neither useless not wasteful
Everyone loves increased work load and wow that's a lot of power to... do what exactly.
You don't need to resort to name calling, you could make a compelling argument instead...
I'm calling you a luddite because you're being a luddite. AI is just a new medium, that's all it is, you're just scared of new technology just like how idiots were scared of photography a hundred and some years ago. You do not have an argument that holds any water because they were all made against photography, and many of them against pre-mixed paints before that!
Also I'm done arguing with anti-ai luddites because you are about as intractable as trump cultists. I'll respond to a level or two of comments in good faith because someone else might see your nonsense and believe it but this deep it's most likely you and me, and you're not gonna be convinced of anything.
Stop being a luddite
Name calling is what people do when they don't have any rational argument left, and you've done it twice.
Is it really not true? How many companies have been training their models using art straight out of the Internet while completely disregarding their creative licences or asking anyone for permission? How many times haven't people got a result from a GenAI model that broke IP rights, or looked extremely similar to an already existing piece of art, and would probably get people sued? And how many of these models have been made available for commercial purposes?
The only logical conclusion is that GenAI steals art because it has been constantly "fed" with stolen art.
It does not steal art. It does not store copies of art, it does not deprive anyone of their pictures, it does not remix other people's pictures, it does not recreate other people's pictures unless very very specifically directed to do so (and that''s on the human not he AI), and even then it usually gets things "wrong". If you don't completely redefine theft then it does not steal art
You don't need permission to train a model on any art. No IP rights are being broken.
Why do you think it ingests all its content from. Problem isn't the AI itself it's the companies that operated but it's not inaccurate to conflate the two things.
I think you'll be in a little disingenuous.
I like how you completely dodge his argument with this. If training data isn't considered transformative, then it's copyright infringement, like piracy.
Yes I agree it's copyright violation I think maybe you're not reading my comment correctly? I'm responding to the guy saying that it isn't copyright violation.
What are you talking about? Did you understand the original comment?
Your initial claim was that MLMs "steal" content to train on, which is plainly false. If MLM training data is theft, then piracy is theft. All this hate should be directed at the legal system that punishes individuals for piracy while enabling corporations to do the same.
You need to take some pills or something because you're swinging from two positions at the same time. You have a go at me because you think I'm saying copyright violation is acceptable and now you're having to go at me because I corrected you and said I think it's unacceptable.
Please decide what you actually think before commenting
You're being disingenuous by trying to redefine the concept of theft. It does not steal anything by any definition of the word. It learn using a neural network similar to, but much simpler than, the one in your head
Thefts is defined as in law. If something is stolen I.e it is not compensated for, then it is theft. You can't get around it by going "oh well technically it's transformative by a non-human intelligence" that doesn't work. The law not recognize AI systems as being intelligent entities, so they are therefore not capable of transformative work.
This isn't a matter of personal opinion it's just what the law is. You can't argue about it.
I'm impressed you've managed to go from "wrong" to "not even wrong" - that is so far from correct that you can't even conceive of the right answer. Stop being a luddite
How about “it’s complicated”? It certainly doesn’t steal art and it certainly does lower the need for humans to create art.
Honestly the need for art has nothing to do with the urge to create art. People will create art no matter what and capitalism treats them like shit for it but that;s a totally different argument
Lmao keep telling yourself that
Sure. I'll keep telling others that too because I'm right