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It's going to have ads eventually if it continues to grow.
Why?
because advertisers will do anything to sell something. even if not official ads id bet we see fake accounts pushing something like reddit has seen over the years
I'll just host my own instance without ads.
They post anyway.
You'd have to stop reading popular posts
That's not how this works. Eventually the way we search instances gets weighed heavily to the content with ads. Look at podcasts or youtube. You just can't find that OG material and it's not just because the Joe Rogan are just that much better at podcasting. It's because the ads are expensive and the system is made to sell attention.
You cannot give an inch. You either have to stand firm and never tolerate any encroachment of advertising or you have to bend over and grab the ankles and brace for the massive ad injection into all our spaces. There can never be any middle ground. Like a weed you have to be proactive and the minute you let your guard down it'll take over wearing the face of your favorite ishowspeed clone.
mechanically speaking though, you can just fork it
or leave lemmy.world (say) for another instance
world is straight up the worst instance, truly impressive how bad it is
It's sliding further and further to the right, calling out transphobia gets your comments removed now if it's against power users being transphobic or defending transphobia.
i just purged a bunch from /c/transgender. felt good. tell them to bring more. i want to splat them
Sorry, but you'll need a stronger warrior than me for that. After today, I refuse to deal with anything .world related, it's a right-wing cesspool.
Great job kicking chud ass though! splat
If you're seeing that, report it please. It's quite against the rules...
https://legal.lemmy.world/tos/#12-discrimination-against-minority--at-risk-groups
We literally changed our logo to a pride flag for June and featured queer friendly OTHER sites.
the second part is cool but damn did "we literally chabged our logo to a pride flag for June" make me laugh hard
I did, actually, and my own comment was removed instead, so I blocked the transphobe and moved on. I'm sorry, but it's clear that Lemmy.world isn't the space for me so I am not going to interact with it.
Maybe I'm not understanding. But my thing is stuff like this
https://www.reddit.com/r/mildlyinfuriating/comments/1eirx34/i_wanted_to_use_the_wheel_of_lunch_to_decide_what/
Internet is sliding away from what it was originally in the worst way. it's to the point you cannot create anything without forcing ads into it. At what point does just forking the instance not work. Who says github doesn't just start charging people like an Azure subscription and then offer up as packages as a way to reduce cost
Someone will fork it then. That's what I'm saying to not give an inch.
and then what? have the same fractional migration of users to yet another small corner of the internet?
Why not just collectively reject ads and fight for the spaces we have left instead.
I am rejecting add, that's why I'm on Lemmy hahaha
How? Just say no?
Hell ya. That works.
Be aware of ads. Not just the ones that are obvious. Be aware of the guy on your favorite GOT thrones instance posting about these cool new shirts he found online. Be skeptical of the ads right before Christmas where the viral video also has the same uncanny product placement of the full label in view of the camera as the girl jumps on the trampoline. Be aware. And then call it out.
Hell if you truly want to go back to OG internet go the Chicago way. Every ad you find, create 2 anti ads yourself saying how that t-shirt looks cool but you bought it and it ripped easily, after all if it isn't an ad who cares. If you see people posting a temu night light, maybe you knew someone who had one but it burned down their house. Fuck these ads up. They took our internet and turned it into a swap meet. Counter advertise.
Use their tactics against them. Counter advertising works as a test to see where your favorite sites are headed. Reddit would ban accounts by the end who were screwing with their ad spaces.
And let's get back to the idea of people being sellouts
I don't think this is an answer for a systemic level problem.
Why not?
It's probably the only way. If ads work by being inconspicuous and manipulates people by making us believe we need something we don't by making us feel inadequate and scared and envious through cultural appeals why wouldn't it work in reverse by making more people aware what ads are and secondly by showing people these products suck. If every ad dollar needs to risk having counter advertising they will stop or just make it legal or ban everyone who does it with the help of admin and mods. Either way it's a win for all of us systematically.
We all shit post already. What's an extra few comments to call out the people who have ruined all our favorite places.
You're asking people to individually act against a systemic issue every time they see it.
Don't we do that everyday with crazier and less important things.
I just watched a 40 min video online where 4chan collectively trolled tumbler over Steven universe skin color.
Because they organized their racism, and it was a single event.
Only one time?
Definitely wasn't one time. 4chan has been spreading organized racism and culture jamming for decades
Seem like you're saying we can organize culture only when it's to be racist or when its making someone else money. It's not even organizing. It's spreading the idea that ads are out of control and how they're responsible for the enshitification we see today.
Not by mass individual acts, but organizing.
Your examples have been organized, but your advocating for mass individual action. Advocate for organized action.
Wasn't organized. It was all shit posting ideas that they agreed was funny and they individually acted on it. Same for everything else you see online. Its all memes.
Meme an element of a culture or system of behavior passed from one individual to another by imitation or other nongenetic means.
verb
It was deliberately organized, lol
Really, who organized it?
Spam is a moderation/instance level problem. If your community is pinning ads, nobody's going to subscribe or participate in it. There's no value in doing so.
not pinning ads just posting them. buying upvotes maybe
Still a moderation problem. Whoever properly moderates will cultivate a community that's not a shithole and people will go there instead.
nothing gets big without being taken over by a corporation or government. and I mean that in the most meta way possible.
What does that look like on Lemmy?
It looks like people participating who are paid to promote a company
But you'll see people accused of being a shill long before Lemmy draws the notice of advertisers