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more animals are breed and slaughtered every year than the year before. being vegan has never reduced that
Yeah no shit, but the number would be even higher if fewer people were vegan.
this can not be proven. counterfactuals cannot be proven at all.
"Your honor, it's true that the deceased died of blood loss after I stabbed them, however, the idea that they would've survived had I not stabbed them is a counterfactual and therefore cannot be proven at all."
this is a strawman
No, it's literally what you said. Is what I described not a counterfactual?
What bizarre logic, what thorough lack of object permanence.
Just because meat eating outpaces veganism doesn't mean vegans haven't reduced the consumption of meat?
I don't even think you know what you're saying now. If the whole world went vegan today, there'd be no meat animal slaughter. YOU are the cause of this problem.
"Oh world hunger is getting worse, I better stop my charity donations!"
"Oh greenhouse gas emissions are on the rise, might as well go back to oil and gas!"
Like, you realise how foolish that argument is, right?
that's exactly what it means. consumptiion of meat continues to grow. it has not been reduced.
I simply cannot believe that "[email protected]" would have a brain-meltingly bad take like this. Shocking.
Where do you think the meat on your plate comes from? What do you think causes meat production to increase?
if you have something to say, say it. i have no interest in your interrogation.
Literally a 5 year old could grasp this.
When you buy something, it tells the person who sold it to you to stock more of it, which tells the people making it to make more of it. Since meat production involves killing animals, it means that when you buy meat, it causes more animals to be killed. If you go vegan and stop buying meat, it causes there to be less demand, which reduces the number of animals killed compared to if you didn't.
everyone has free will. my purchases don't cause their actions. they make their own decisions.
"Your honor, it's true I purchased a hitman's services, but I didn't cause his actions. He made his own decision, it just happened to be the one I paid him to do."
this is not at all analogous to buying meat on a shelf
Why not? You're saying that market signals don't matter, it's individual choice all the way down. You're paying people to produce meat and put it on the shelves, but according to you, that doesn't have any effect on the amount of meat produced and put on shelves. How is that not analogous to paying someone to kill someone and then pretending that that doesn't make you complicit?
You don't seem to understand how analogies work. You don't get to just say "Nuh uh" when I follow your principles to their natural conclusions. That's just a basic form of logical argumentation.
not a causal one, no.
You don’t seem to understand how analogies work.
no, i'm not. most people don't.
that's not what happened
Why did you make four separate one line responses to my comment, all at the same time? You realize you can put multiple things in one comment lol.
Also not only is that exactly what happened, but you're literally doing it again. This is just the Monty Python argument clinic sketch.
making a leap of logic and doubling down doesn't make your position any more sound
Since you seem incredibly confused about both how to argue and basic facts about reality, let me walk you through this.
You claimed that purchasing meat has no effect on whether more meat gets produced, because "they make their own decisions." This argument rests on the completely insane premise that paying people to do things does not influence their behavior or make you complicit when they decide to do what you paid them to do. If this were true, it would lead to the absurd conclusion that hiring a hitman to kill someone would not make you complicit in the act, because, by your logic "they make their own decisions" regardless of who's paying them to do what.
If you want to dispute that, you have to actually find a fault in that chain of reasoning, not just say, "Nuh uh" over and over again.
An argument’s a collective series of statements to establish a definite proposition. Contradiction’s just the automatic gainsaying of anything the other person says.
again, this is completely disanalagous with buying meat on a shelf.
Again, you don't get to just say, "No it isn't" over and over again without actually explaining why it's not analogous. That's how basic reason works.
Also, you can put multiple things in one comment so you don't spam the thread.
Yes, you're literally just disagreeing with anything I (or anyone else on my side) says, with zero supporting evidence or reason. It's not an argument, just contradiction. It's obvious that's what you're doing, but still hilarious that you would come out and admit it.
Can you please explain what the difference is between an action being causal of another action vs an action... causing another action to happen?
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The dumbest timeline 🙄
i don't think you're capable of understanding cause and effect, so i guess this is done.
wrong
wrong. i said it is not causal.
i'm not making an argument. i'm contradicting yours.
if being vegan isn't effective, and your goal is to reduce animal slaughter, then you should try another method.