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I think phones are the MOST secure devices most people have. They are locked down, they run software in very restricted containers, they have more restrictive feature allowance. for 99% of the people the phone is the most secure device, full stop.
Can you do better on a computer? Sure, but it takes a bunch of work and isn't the out of box experience
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Please help me understand your point of view. So far all you have said in this conversation is that other people are wrong. That may be, but your not helping us understand you
The key to encryption is to have your key encrypted with a strong passphrase.
Phones are literally designed to be convenient. Convenient is the antithesis of security.
You want a 20-100+ character passphrase to symmetrically encrypt your private keys, and you want to never type that in public.
Most people have 4 digit pins on their phones, and they constantly type them in public, in plain view of others. And its super easy to snatch out of their hands and run.
Phones are, by design, not secure devices. Marketing teams trying to sell you something say otherwise. Don't be gullible.
TPM in the SOC to transform the "convenient" pin into more robust encryption keys is the gold standard for civilian devices.
"computers" (of which a phone very much is) also use a TPM for this very reason.
But even taking what you say as gospel, the device isn't insecure, its how people are using it.
I will stand by my comments a phone is the MOST secure device a civilian will use. Even with a secured desktop computer where someone diligently types in a 64 bit random code to unencrypt the hard drive... if they use the computer as a general purpose device, the threat surface raises dramatically. Now information and programs are not compartmentalized, install one bad program and it can trivially take over everything.
TPMs protect the data on the drive if the drive is separated from the computer. If the drive is still in the computer, then it doesn't protect the data. It doesn't provide protection from physical attacks.
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/security/hardware-security/tpm/tpm-fundamentals
This is how cell phones and windows hello justify short pins, the pin goes into a rate limited TPM that then discloses a larger key to decrypt the actual secret.
Do you need me to link to the vulnerabilities of TPMs? They do not provide physical security.
Does this mean your also against yubikeys?
Hardware keys can be used well to increase your secuirty (U2F MFA) or used to increase convienence and reduce security (passwordless auth)
It depends how the tool is used.