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Russia is 100% going to force local ISPs and local VPN developers to block Mozilla domains.
That said, good for Mozilla for doing what’s right, even if it means their installed base will get decimated in Russia.
They don't even need to force it. Every ISP in Russia has government-managed DPI hardware that filters all use traffic performs such blocking. No cooperation from ISPs is necessary.
Correct. The cooperation has already happened.
how fkd up is the sh1t really out there? This is unheard of.
It's not Chinese GFW level fkdup.
Also legally the initial versions of this thing are from 2005, I think? Rather old. Just nobody cared.
They absolutely can implement China-level censorship right now, they have technical capabilities. In fact there have already been tests of complete isolation from foreign internet in remote regions of Russia.
They just don't use it much, yet. I guess they are afraid of consequences and prefer to let people live pretending that nothing has changed. He will go slow with it. Russia is still tightly integrated with western culture and economy (e.g. they have a strong IT industry and internet isolation will kill it for good). Russian culture has been aligning itself with European culture for centuries. They watch western movies and tv shows, read western books, half of the memes they use are from anglophone internet, etc. They are much closer culturally to Europe than to China, even despite all the politics.
2014 is when it started for real. At first the laws were rather innocuous (protect the children and stuff). But with each year they were "improved" to become more and more oppressive. Putin is smart enough to realize that if you do it incrementally then there will be less protests and he will appear as a good guy, "protecting the people". It was the same with "foreign agent" laws.
They don't have the processing power (I think) and the competencies are below those of Chinese censors.
"Aligning"? I mean, most of the EU is not northwestern Europe either.
Yes and no, in general Russians don't know\use English too well, it's not like the Scandinavian countries, Russian-speaking space is big enough to be mostly using Russian.
Politics are more about claiming to be some "non-degenerate" part of Europe or orthogonal to culture.
That aside, before the Mongols (the original central) Russia was just a weird backwater of Europe (with some dynastic marriages between pre-Norman English royalty and Russian princes, for example).
After the Mongols it was maybe too strange for western Europeans, but not for the east.
Since Peter it was LARP'ing as normal European monarchy, during Catherine's reign it kinda was one (not weirder or more despotic than Austria), after that it was just too agrarian and underdeveloped, but not particularly weird still.
The White movement was pretty proto-fascist, and their winning adversaries were LARP'ing after one bearded graphomaniac who called his ideas "German ideology". That particular period ended in the 80s and 90s with attempts to LARP after the USA.
EDIT: Forgot about the actual point of your comment:
Nah, SORM with all the same arguments was legislated and, well, deployed much earlier, somewhere in the early 00s and I'm not even sure it started then. It was the cleartext web, if you remember, with unencrypted ICQ, unencrypted HTTP, unencrypted FTP and such things. Much easier to work in such an environment.
They weren't. Russian laws were quite surveillance-friendly to begin with in 1999, just in the 00s economy was on the rise and the state appeared benevolent, so everybody learned to ignore this.
And no, it's not about appearing a good guy. It's about making people protest as much and as earlier as possible to morally exhaust them.
I guess it's worth it when the other option is to basically become a state controlled tool that doesn't offer any good for the Russian people.
I’m more worried that this will give malicious non-state actors and, worse still, the Russian government easier access to Russian citizens seeking the ability to look behind the veil. The result of this repression will be inexperienced folks downloading an exe and quietly being logged as a dissident or innocent people finding their information compromised or hardware hijacked. Sourcing clean, difficult to track downloads of these addons and Firefox will become important in the near future.
This is what Tor exists for
Absolutely true! But tor can be more than a bit intimidating for new users. Many people hold preconceptions that may prevent them from using it, much less browsing a .onion. “Install Firefox and 4 addons” seems like a layperson’s simplest start and simplifying access to information is indescribably useful. As I said, I do not disagree.
Sadly blocked in russia
How can they block tor?!
Probably the protocol itself. Bridges exist though.