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Lol, a petition won't stop this unless it's a petition to bribe the judge. The US is owned by corporations.
Sure, but it is still better than doing nothing.
It feels better than doing nothing.
If you can convince yourself you're not doing nothing.
I've never been that good a liar.
Large petitions also serve as a way of getting the word out.
Yep. Petition gets large enough for media attention, word is spread, MAYBE people get active.
But Then police beat on them, Trump supporters defend the corporate interests of their supreme lord, it all goes down the shitter anyway.
So don’t ever get active or protest or do anything?
Dude I'm in Portland. That's all we do
Ok…so I don’t get your point then. Your previous comment heavily implied it’s all pointless.
I'll get back to you after the next election
You’re still dodging responding directly here but ok.
Reply to the "so don't do anything?" jump straight to nihilism in response to suggestion that one route hasn't been successful lately in the near military state? Like we've never heard of Occupy Wall Street, million women march, Antifa?
No I didn't take it as a serious enough question. It was a judgement question, not a curiosity one. A curious question would have been "if you don't think that works, what could be done instead?"
"But ok."
You said protests lead to a brick wall dude. I don’t know what to tell you. What’s the point of that comment if not to discourage public protests?
But you jumped from "protests haven't been effective" to "so don't do anything?"
No, you naysayed protests and then just left it at that. You never said they’re still worth doing, you never provided an alternative, you just said functionally said “it’s pointless“ by rattling off how they hit a wall and then expected me to not take it that way. Bizarre.
We are just going in circles. If you meant something else you’ve had plenty of opportunity to explain yourself. But you continue not to. So until you clarify your stance, I’m going to take the thing you originally said as written. I’m not getting bogged down in “that’s not what I said but I’m not going to say what I meant and keep it as opaque as possible.” Say what you mean or just drop it.
You really need to check your ego. You keep thinking that I'm avoiding some discussion or debate with you or something. But you're not even reading what I'm saying. I don't care about your disingenuous question.
THE SECOND you put "so do nothing?" you weren't interested in my thought. You just want to judge. That's it. You want to be right and argue why you're right. So I didn't respond to your "so do nothing?" Because it isn't genuine. I tried to explain that to you, but you still think I'm just avoiding "the question".
What I mean is if you want to discuss with someone, don't take a cynical comment and immediately apply nihilism if your intent is to learn and discuss. My intent wasn't to learn and discuss. Neither was yours. Because you demand a response doesn't mean you are entitled to anything. And if someone doesn't want to stumble along your thinking path doesn't mean they're avoiding your judgemental question. It may, however, mean they've dismissed your question
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I don't know.
I still think there's at least some value, even if the only thing it accomplishes is getting people to talk about it. Many people have never even heard of The Internet Archive.
Either way, there isn't really a reason not to.
Only things that are effective are better than doing nothing. Doing ineffective things only gives a false sense of accomplishment and thus reduces the incentive to try harder to be effective, which means they're actually worse than doing nothing.
Online petitions, "free speech zones," and other easily-ignorable things are like honeypots for activism, designed to neuter it.
Sure, but "effectiveness" is usually not a binary and is often difficult to measure. Small, but persistent changes should still add up. Eventually.
So long as people recognize that these things are in fact quite toothless, I'm not sure they are entirely detrimental. There's no reason this couldn't be used as a starting point for more effective action, now that signatories are in greater contact with the campaign.
It's not even a question of being "owned by corporations". Judges don't care about petitions. They're not politicians, their job is to adjudicate the law.
In theory. In the US, at least (I don't know about other countries), some judge positions are voted in, In that sense, they most certainly are politicians.
On top of that, HAVE YOU SEEN OUR SUPREME COURT. THAT SHIT'S THE HALLMARK CHANNEL OF "OWNED BY OTHER ENTITIES", be it actual politicians (Trump) or CEOs (also Trump), many of whom ARE both executives and politicans (again, not only Trump, but also a number of other reps & senators).
C'mon it's at least worth a shot. To me at least.
With the current judges we could probably buy one fairly cheap. Crowd source lobbying I guess