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If you don't know what you are doing, and you give it a vague request hoping it will automatically solve your problem, then you will just have to spend even more time to debug its given code.
However, if you know exactly what needs do do, and give it a good prompt, then it will reward you with a very well written code, clean implementation and comments. Consider it an intern or junior developer.
Example of bad prompt: My code won't work [paste the code], I keep having this error [paste the error log], please help me
Example of (reasonably) good prompt: This code introduces deep recursion and can sometimes cause a "maximum stack size exceeded" error in certain cases. Please help me convert it to use a
whileloop instead.I wouldn't trust an LLM to produce any kind of programming answer. If you're skilled enough to know it's wrong, then you should do it yourself, if you're not, then you shouldn't be using it.
I've seen plenty of examples of specific, clear, simple prompts that an LLM absolutely butchered by using libraries, functions, classes, and APIs that don't exist. Likewise with code analysis where it invented bugs that literally did not exist in the actual code.
LLMs don't have a holistic understanding of anything—they're your non-programming, but over-confident, friend that's trying to convey the results of a Google search on low-level memory management in C++.
Oh I strongly disagree. I’ve been building software for 30 years. I use copilot in vscode and it writes so much of the tedious code and comments for me. Really saves me a lot of time, allowing me to spend more time on the complicated bits.
I'm closing in on 30 years too, started just around '95, and I have yet to see an LLM spit out anything useful that I would actually feel comfortable committing to a project. Usually you end up having to spend as much time—if not more—double-checking and correcting the LLM's output as you would writing the code yourself. (Full disclosure: I haven't tried Copilot, so it's possible that it's different from Bard/Gemini, ChatGPT and what-have-you, but I'd be surprised if it was that different.)
Here's a good example of how an LLM doesn't really understand code in context and thus finds a "bug" that's literally mitigated in the line before the one where it spots the potential bug: https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2024/01/02/the-i-in-llm-stands-for-intelligence/ (see "Exhibit B", which links to: https://hackerone.com/reports/2298307, which is the actual HackerOne report).
LLMs don't understand code. It's literally your "helpful", non-programmer friend—on stereoids—cobbling together bits and pieces from searches on SO, Reddit, DevShed, etc. and hoping the answer will make you impressed with him. Reading the study from TFA (https://dl.acm.org/doi/pdf/10.1145/3613904.3642596, §§5.1-5.2 in particular) only cements this position further for me.
And that's not even touching upon the other issues (like copyright, licensing, etc.) with LLM-generated code that led to NetBSD simply forbidding it in their commit guidelines: https://mastodon.sdf.org/@netbsd/112446618914747900
Edit: Spelling
I’m very familiar with what LLMs do.
You’re misunderstanding what copilot does. It just completes a line or section of code. It doesn’t answer questions - it just continues a pattern. Sometimes quite intelligently.
Shoot me a message on discord and I’ll do a screenshare for you. #locuester
It has improved my quality and speed significantly. More so than any other feature since intellisense was introduced (which many back then also frowned upon).
Fair enough, and thanks for the offer. I found a demo on YouTube. It does indeed look a lot more reasonable than having an LLM actually write the code.
I'm one of the people that don't use IntelliSense, so it's probably not for me, but I can definitely see why people find that particular implementation useful. Thanks for catching and correcting my misunderstanding. :)
That sounds like those cases on YouTube where the correction to the code was shorter than the prompt hahaha
I've found chatgpt reasonably good for one thing: Generating regex-patterns. I don't know regex for shit, but if I ask for a pattern described with words, I get a working pattern 9/10 times. It's also a very easy use-case to double check.