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Apple users bash new iPhone 15: ‘Innovation died with Steve Jobs’::Smart phone fans are griping about Apple's new devices since the arguably anti-climactic announcement of the forthcoming iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus on Tuesday.

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[–] [email protected] 142 points 1 year ago (34 children)

Steve Jobs didn't innovate a thing in his life. Apple has always been stealing tech and pretending that they created it.

Now with this new version, they don't even have much anything to steal. At best, they pretended that the EU didn't force them to adopt USB 3 and boast how much faster it is than Lightning port.

[–] [email protected] 94 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Actually the EU only forced them to adopt USB C. Only their 'Pro' model actually has USB 3. Imagine having to pay a premium for the luxury of a 15 year old technology

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

And they still don't have PD on the pro.

My guess is that they'll be going portless soon, and don't want users freaking out that they can't change their phones as quickly, so they're intentionally nerfing the charge speeds on USB C.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

They have to have USB power delivery by the EU law but only as fast as the device supports at all. So if they only have 20W charging at all that's legal.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

USB C without PD ain't compliant with the EU regulation, so I hope for them, and their users, that PD is onboard.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A 15 year old technology pretty much every other phone uses now. A technology used in pretty much every modern laptop - especially Apple's own - and many desktops.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

15 years ago was Micro-USB, which was awful.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Apple just wants to get rid of low income people having an iphone.

Iphones whole thing has always been to be a luxury brand, that only rich people can afford.

[–] [email protected] 59 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Did Jobs build teams that invented the GUI, the cellphone, multitouch gestures, or mobile web browsing? No, he didn’t. But he built teams that productized those things better than anyone else before them, and that team forever changed our expectations for computing.

To be an innovative composer you don’t have to invent new instruments, scales, time signatures, etc. You have to know how to arrange existing stuff in new ways.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yep, I am not a Jobs fan boy at all but he definitely had a clear goal and required people to get the product right before shipping it, to the extent to which that was possible for the tech at the time.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Yeah. The man was a piece of shit in several ways, but he was also good at what he did.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (26 children)

Yeah because the first iPhone wasn’t a Revolution,

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

~~Except that their implementation of USB-C will be way slower than the lightning port.~~

Edit: I've been schooled.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The lightning port is USB 2. The 15 is USB 2, powered by the same USB 2 chipset as the 14 pro. The only difference is the connector not the cables or encoding.

The 15 pro has USB 3, which is faster than the lighting port ever was.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Oh, I've been schooled. Thanks.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Their Laptop Chips are in fact leading technology. Intel and AMD are far behind in Performance/Power used

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

You're correct, but it's important to note that the M chips are very expensive to produce, and abandoning x86 means literally all the software iOS and OSX uses needs to be rewritten (or translated via Rosetta). It's a huge project with tons of risks and massive costs. Apple can do this because they're pretty much completely vertically integrated at this point, and control their ecosystem completely. If amd independently released some new non compatible architecture that was dramatically faster, it'd likely be dead in the water.

Intel learned this lesson the hard way during the Itanic days. AMD took the relatively safer approach when they released amd64.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Correct. I wish there were open source chips in this category. Not that anyone could afford to produce it, but I believe Software for a chip with a new instruction set would be more adapted if you could look everything up

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

There are, Risc-V has been hard at work with several partners (including Bosch and Qualcomm) to bring comparable RISC SoCs to consumer markets (there are already industrial offerings). But it's not fast nor cheap to do it. It also has a major drawback that's never talked about that, unlike x86, SoCs become obsolete way sooner for a much higher upfront cost. So, an upgradeable Risc-V option is kind of an elusive idea, for most of the computing power and energy consumption advantages come from the System on a chip design. Today people expect more storage space than ever, and to play with the newer and most powerful graphics options. Something that SoCs cannot change fast or easily.

Software support is also the worst point right now, a problem that Apple addressed by bearing the brunt of the port and compatibility work. But it's not so simple for other vendors who have to rely on third parties to make their software available in their platform.

Why spend more in a new laptop that is barely just as powerful and runs none of the software you want? Apple cult clout is the only thing leading the sales of the Apple Silicon. And software developers are not interested on porting their software to a platform with no users.

On the other hand Risc-V has only existed since 2015, so it's massive strides and advances are actually quite impressive. And with more governments looking to become independent from Chinese transistors we might be looking at a new processor arch era, though only after a short growing pains period that we are in right now.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

RISC-V is open source. Lots of boards are moving to RISC-V.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Well it seems I am not up to day on the topic. This is great

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