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This is why I generally don't like most vegetarians and vegans.
Because they listen to astrology?
Sure.
I used to wonder why a lot of the west obsesses over vegan stuff and not consider the easier vegetarianism.
One day it hit me most of them cant digest dairy anyways
Vegetarians are cool, vegans are activists.
Eat how you want. Just don't push it on others. Bragging about a diet is kind of strange.
its not a diet, it's a rejection of the commodity status of nonhuman animals
Because you don't like seeing people promote lifestyles that are objectively necessary for human life to be sustained on this planet in the long term?
Or because you don't have the discipline to overcome the upbringing that conditioned you to feel addicted to meat consumption, and you subconsciously realize that veg*nism is the morally and ecologically superior lifestyle and that leaves you with an inferiority complex that makes you lash out at others like an upset child?
Aggressively trying to force their ideas on people is obnoxious. People should be free to make their own choices. If people want to try vegetarianism, be a resource for them. Don't shove it down their throats and brag about your superior moral values. It makes other vegetarians look bad.
No one cares if you don't eat meat. As for lashing out I believe you already had that covered. And I can give you the greatest plot twist of this post. I've been a vegetarian for over 25 years; I've been vegan for over 7 at one point.
Your argument is completely invalid. Don't make me look bad because you want to brag about your convictions. This is why I dislike my fellow vegetarians.
I find that meat eaters' reactionary indignation to the facts of the harm caused by eating meat is way more aggressive than veg_ns trying to point out to people that we're literally killing ourselves as a species.
It's somehow even stupider when people who are veg_n like yourself act like it's offensive to promote the importance of veg_nism to a world that will otherwise die.
I really don't care how many people like me when it comes at the cost of the continued existence of humanity. I have no remorse about shoving an uncomfortable message into the faces of people who need to hear it.
When people are talked down to, they often dig in their heels due to an emotion called psychological reactance. The reactionary ape that still exists in every human feels challenged and that ape will not allow reason to stop it.
If you see such a reaction and allow yourself to believe "well that person was just an immature child", you risk giving yourself license to keep talking down to people. Repeat ad nauseum.
It doesn't matter that you're objectively correct about the effect meat has on the biosphere if you just keep going around that circle, creating 0 new vegans every lap
I mean scientists tried being polite and give gentle nudges with the climate crisis for decades and look where it got us. Civilization is driving towards a cliff and we've thrown away the steering wheel.
When I was younger I used to think that being nice to people and engaging them on their own terms is the best way to win people over to your cause, but at the end of the day people don't actually bother to change unless they realize that they need to for their own survival. So I'm done putting all my eggs into the respectability politics basket, and I'm not going beat around the bush on what a fucking cataclysmic crisis we're being faced with.
I certainly won't win anyone's affection, but if I can get at least one person to pause and ask themselves "..Am I in danger..?" then I'll take that as a win. If others think they can win people over with kindness, they're welcome to try.
Why are the animal's choices never considered in this equation? Freedom is something the west places a high value on, but it's generally agreed that freedom should never go so far as to harm others, yet your "freedom" to choose what to eat is resulting in a horrifying sort of perpetual holocaust.
Why is your fleeting sensory pleasure (something that can be had just as easily from plants) more important than the entire lives and wellbeing of all the animals you paid to have killed?
Being militant won't convince anyone for a cause. Being open to them asking questions will. Offer people to try things. Be a good friend. You will be far more successful. I say this from experience.
And if you have some recipes you swear by, feel free to PM them. I like cooking and trying new things.
Sapience vs sentience. Hope that helps your understanding!