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(TW: Found on Reddit) Always Found The Similarities Between Some Feminists and Puritanians Interesting
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this post was submitted on 19 Apr 2024
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Stop pretending like you know jack shit about men's issues.
It's only to/about men do you mfs say this type of shit.
"Oh, men are depressed and have insanely high suicide rate? Have they tried smiling more?"
We've been ready for a very long fucking time.
When will society be ready to actually fucking listen for once?
It's fuckin sad that the only people able to talk about men's issues are either fucking grifters (Andrew you know who) or aren't even men.
Just STFU with your copout bullshit.
Hey, what's up with the tone my guy? Message me if you need to talk fr
Regarding the subject at hand,
Evidently women still have many issues coming from male dominant culture formed before the industrial revolution, there has been good progress but there's still a long path ahead.
Men have issues coming from cultural norms too. imo the biggest hindrance for men at the moment is not nearly enough people talk about men's mental health.
MOST IMPORTANT NOTE IS:
Promoting solutions for women doesn't mean ignoring men's issues.
Promoting awareness to men's issues is not against women's interests.
When someone is promoting progress, let's not jump to "there are bigger problems elsewhere"
If you want to promote change via debate, being aggressive is the worst strategy. Why not say "hey, I hear your argument for women, and on this note I'd also like to raise this other related subject about men's issues."
That's a win win conversation
How else am I supposed to react to a hyper simplification of the multifaceted problem that is men's issues?
Yes, that's true.
True.
Yes. That's why the most prominent men's rights activists are also women rights activists.
That's not what's happening here.
The problem is that they brought up men's rights issues in the most passive aggressive snarky way possible while hyper-generalizing and hypersimplifying it.
I understand that you're angry. Sure the initial comment was slightly snarky, and yes, a lot of frustration is caused by a large lack of willingness to address men's issues.
But I'd just like you to find out what you want to achieve with your commentary.
If your objective was to raise an argument and change someone's mind, then starting a conversation with
And
If you just wanted to express your anger, then I think it's unjustified to direct it so intensely to the initial comment. The intensity does not match the casual tone of the comment and it's uncalled for.
Maybe you just wanted to spend some idle time by commenting on posts. Sure that's fair, but considering the stress you put into this I'd say that's probably a net loss for your mood
Sorry if I misunderstood that. But your tone did not help with my understanding of your point
Sure I agree that the initial comment deserves some correction, but You will never get your point across by insulting someone. often to convince someone you should talk to them like they're your friend. I know the insults might come more naturally than friendship, but respect is what effectively causes change.
I'm just suggesting you use your energy and patience more efficiently
I enjoyed this conversation, and hope you did too. Cheers
You bring up good points, and you're right. I acted irrationally out of anger.
The insensitivity of the way she presented men's issues... Tbh, it hurt me and it came out as intense anger that clouded my judgement and muddied the point I was trying to get across.
In retrospect, I should've handled it better and voiced my frustration more clearly and (much) less offensively. Sorry I blew up like that.
Thank you for your understanding and consideration. You're quite kind hearted & empathetic, and have restored some of the little faith I have left in humanity. You keep on being you, you're wonderful.
Great to know that you can recognize your imperfections. I'm sure you have a good character. And i'm glad you're feeling better. Cheers!