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Yeah, but Biden doesn't agree with literally every single view I have on everything, so they're both the same.
I swear, the new Communist push is just an alt-right front to get Tea Party Republicans in office again. Every time someone points out a random conservative or warhawk thing Biden did and says he's literally worse than Trump, I die inside.
If Trump somehow manages to win 2024 from jail, it's our fault on the Left that he wins.
Damn if we're so important then maybe the democrats should try harder to win us over.
Who said we're important to them. Are you so willing to let the country go to shit if you don't get your own way? Trump's actions killed a lot of people I knew and loved, and permanently devastated the lives of a lot of people who didn't end up dead. I can't say the same of Biden.
You did:
"If Trump somehow manages to win 2024 from jail, it's our fault on the Left that he wins."
You bet I am. Lesser evilism is a clearly failed strategy and the country is already going to shit because of it. If your vote is guaranteed then your concerns are meaningless.
I saw where lesser evilism got us with Obama. 8 more years of war and bloodshed that accomplished nothing and brought it no closer to an end. Hundreds of thousands of innocents slain for no reason. But suddenly everyone was fine with it because "he was doing it the right way."
Fuck that, I promised myself then that I would never vote for a hawk, and I never will. Now we have one of the guys involved in perpetrating the War on Terror (also one of the architects of mass incarceration) and we have the highest military of any country of all time. Absolute non starter. I refuse to prioritize my own safety over the victims of US imperialism abroad.
It's very simple
I recieve: a hawk candidate
You recieve: a third party vote
Not our fault for non-voting. Our fault for making undecided voters see Biden as literally the same as Trump. Propagandists are not important to me, but I still oppose them at all costs.
So instead you just lie and pretend the lesser evil is the greater evil? Congrats, you must be young.
I would fucking give anything if we had another boring Obama clone win in 2016. I have DACA friends. I have had many people in my life needlessly die or suffer under Trump. I used to follow a religion that George W Bush actively tried to get banned from legal US protections because he didn't like it. And you're telling me to my face that you approve of innocent people dying so you can punish Democrats for only giving the 5% of far-left 10% of respect. Tell me that to my face. Tell me you are happy with how things went. Until then, I will point out that Biden did more for the far-left than I ever expected. And he acted with extreme prejudice to protect the people I fucking care about most.
I'm guessing you didn't have a lot of family or friends directly devastated by Trump's actions? If so, how can you be so bloody heartless?
Ah yes. Perhaps the Green party. Most heavily funded by the Republicans because it gives them presidencies. I call this "taking the majority hostage".
Never said this, no.
You're right, other than the fact that I moved away from my home state in part due to the rise in anti-trans sentiment and legislation (and obviously he continued the wars too so he's at least as bad). I and my family were, however, directly affected by Obama's actions in pointlessly extending the wars of aggression in the Middle East. You can read about my experiences here
Peace is absolutely not even close to being enough to address all the impending and on-going crises affecting this country. I am being extremely lax, generous, and accommodating by setting it as my sole precondition. The fact that you want me to abandon all of my principles and every single precondition so the democrats can keep following the republicans right in a self-defeating strategy is not my problem.
Excellent, if I have the power to take the majority hostage to the end of achieving peace, I intend to take full advantage of it.
Maybe he shouldn't have done those things then.
I know, maybe Biden should agree with me on everything. That would be nice. But why should we treat everyone we don't agree with on everything the same as Trump? Do you **really ** think Trump did that little wrong? Or that Biden did zero things better than Trump?
I'm truly disgusted by this. This black-and-white categorization of anyone who isn't as Left as Me as "exactly the same as Adolf Hitler". Trump quite literally preached Fascism and actively campaigned (and acted) on hurting brown people and tearing down the environment for a quick buck. Biden ran on "more middle-of-the-road shit". They are not the same.
No one is saying they are the same. They are saying the answer is not the DNC, especially not Biden.
Biden has a horrible record on racism. He was awful during integration, literally wrote the racist crime bill, and helped bail out banks in 2008 whilst crushing and eliminating black wealth. Not to mention, he rejects critiques of the police and voted to increase all budgets for police and then the military.
As far as the environment, Biden has okay'd new pipelines and given the go ahead to drill even more than his predecessor.
Biden is more polite than Trump. He doesn't usually say racist things (or when he does, it's swept under the rug). Trump has worst aesthetics for sure. But Biden materially is fucking awful, and we should not entertain any options to the contrary.
I don't disagree with anything you said about Biden's past, but that doesn't put him categorically anywhere near Trump.
I want a world where Biden represents the Right party I hate. But right now, he's representing the only party that isn't making a goal hurting people I love. There are dead people I care about that would be alive if Trump had lost to Hillary in 2016. There are living people I love that would be dead or hurt if Trump had won in 2020. So I call that a marginal victory.
Have you not experienced that? If not, you're either lucky or isolated or ignorant of causes of things. If so, then how can you let those you love suffer without being angrier at the cause than the guy who is just "not that great"?
My problem isn't people saying Biden is bad. My problem is people saying he's as bad as Trump. As a president, he is absolutely fucking not.
The Democrats are a far-right party by international standards.
I guess we'll downgrade the mass murder charges to mass manslaughter since the Democrats don't explicitly state that they want to commit genocide, even if their policies always result in genocide.
100% probability Hilldawg would have killed as many or more people than Trump did. They just would have been overseas or in amerikkka's internal colonies—out of sight, in other words, so liberals like yourself wouldn't have to worry about them. "Fascism is okay as long as it doesn't negatively impact me." More people have also died of covid under Biden compared to Trump (specifically because of Biden's anti-vaxx, anti-mask policies), while the proxy war Biden started in Ukraine has resulted in hundreds of thousands of needless deaths.
Without doing research, name a specific policy passed by Biden or the Democrats since January 2021 which has improved your material life.