theluddite

Ya that's a fundamental misunderstanding of percentages. For an analogous situation with which we're all more intuitively familiar, a self driving car that is 99.9% accurate in detecting obstacles crashes into one in one thousand people and/or things. That sucks.

Also, most importantly, LLMs are incapable of collaboration, something very important in any complex human endeavor but difficult to measures, and therefore undervalued by our inane, metrics-driven business culture. Chatgpt won't develop meaningful, mutually beneficial relationships with its colleagues, who can ask each other for their thoughts when they don't understand something. It'll just spout bullshit when it's wrong, not because it doesn't know, but because it has no concept of knowing at all.

Yeah absolutely. The Luddite had a guest write in and suggest that if anxiety is the self turned inwards,nthe internet is going to be full of increasingly anxious LLMs in a few years. I really liked that way of putting it.

Don't be too impressed. So far I've only taken in a couple bucks.

But seriously, that's why I do The Luddite. There are some good tech journalists and commentators, but they're usually professional journalists or opinion-havers. I code for a living. I think that perspective is often missing. How many people who write about the app store have actually submitted an app? Or like this post, how many have made and then monetized a website?

The point of the post is to talk about it because I care about the internet and don't want it to be filled with generated trash.

lol I've always been bad at titles.

I am the dude. Fair enough, but your summary misses the point. The original website was a useful tool that people use, but it didn't qualify for adsense. I draw an analogy to recipes. Recipe sites used to be useful, but now you have to scroll through tons of blogspam to even get to the recipe. Google has a monopoly on ads, and like it or not, ad revenue is how people who make websites get paid. Google's policies for what qualifies for AdSense have a huge impact on the internet.

The point of the post is to show how direct that relationship is, using an existing and useful website.

Things might not be fine. Throughout human history, on scales big and small, many people were not fine. Living in a crumbling empire can be a very ugly business.

You can't use ChatGPT to rebut an argument made by an expert who just wrote an entire book about the topic. He even explains in that article why this isn't right, which the person you're replying to quoted in their comment:

Take medieval windmills, a very transformative technology. It changed the organization of textile manufacturing, but especially agriculture. But you didn’t see much improvement in the conditions of the peasants. The windmills were controlled by landowners and churches. This narrow elite collected the gains. [emphasis added] They decided who could use the windmills. They killed off competition

This is what I mean when I say it's going to end up being a circular argument.

Both the maxim gun and nuclear weapons had the biggest possible impacts possible on the economy. The maxim gun (and other war technologies) were hugely important in the viability of colonial administration. Nuclear weapons made the US one of two superpowers, which defined 20th century economic debate.

High fructose corn syrup has had a paramount impact on the entire American food system, probably the single most important part of an economy, from our agriculture to our food processing.

Plastics have so transformed our economy that we rely on it to get basically any physical good to the consumer, and the resulting trash now exists in every part of Earth, including our own bodies.

Nuclear weapons, the maxim gun, lead paint, lead gasoline, basically all lead-based products, thalidomide, CFCs, the electric chair, agent orange, asbestos, oxycodone, zyklon b, refined sugar, high fructose corn syrup, disposable plastics, cigarettes, trans fats, ...

I think @[email protected] is doing a great job of pointing to the actual substance of the argument, so I'll leave that to them, but it's actually really easy to come up with a long list of technological horrors that absolutely did not benefit most people but had huge impacts on our economy.

I do think "impact on our economy" is a pretty squishy phrase that'll give you some wiggle room, but many of these nightmare technologies are inextricably and inseparably tied to the way we've structured our economy. Likewise, I think it's easy to define "technology" in convenient ways for these kinds of arguments, but also ends up being circular pretty quick.

Welcome aboard!

The username, profile pic, and even that last paragraph are all taken from my site, where I write about things just like this, if you're into that kind of thing :D