redballooon

Again, what’s the justification for killing innocents? Because they walk on land that another claims theirs? That sort of thinking always and everywhere only led to war and war crimes.

As for the Israelis, for those who live there, it’s their home, for many going back three generations. In many cases those ancestors took it it legally under ottoman law. I find that 24-undisputed-hour-rule questionable myself, but your story doesn’t hold up legally in many cases, nor historical. Everyone’s ancestors lived someplace. That doesn’t automatically make that place theirs.

Pointing to an old map and claiming the territory that another currently occupies never leads to peace.

Now you named one factor that explains this mess, and no objection here. But I’m still missing the answer how killing innocents can be justified.

It seems to me that you think that every person that lives in Israel is responsible for everything that the Israeli government did over the years.

How is that any different from this weeks retaliation that this Israel government hands out over the massacres of citizens by hamas from last weekend?

I understand. you list here injustice that when experienced are beyond words.

Now tell me: in what cases does is the punishment of innocents justified?

I was equating killing innocents with killing innocents, nothing else.

You are justifying mass punishment with …something about your daughter, and with that exposing exactly the attitude that keeps the region in a never ending cycle of death.

Eye witness report “ Gunmen chased fleeing revellers across the desert, shooting and snatching people.”

And many very similar stories, including brutal rape and beheadings.

I continue calling your words lies.

And pretty much indistinguishable. All those ravers, how could anyone differentiate them from military personnel???

your logic doesn’t make sense to anyone who is not caught in ideological hatred.

No wait, I’m calling it lies. Not logic. Lies.

Are you saying the only options are handing out collective punishment or accepting death?

First, that’s doubtable. But if so, I’d indeed accept death. I’m not killing innocents.

I’d rather die than become a living monster.

In what world are music festivals and kibbutzim a military facility?

But again, for all it's historical relevance, nobody rates Sputik second best satellite today.

Thanks! That's the sort of answer that I hoped for.

And that explains why it was impactful movies in the 70s, but that doesn't explain why it's rated 2nd best movie today. If anything you provided arguments against that.