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There are legitimate, helpful uses for such technology

Personally, I think the technology has great potential. But under capitalism? Fuck no.

This isn't just about the job market

Life is more than work, you fucking drone

It's too late to wish for that. We've already emitted too much, and didn't slow enough in time to avert catastrophic climate change. We will likely live through it, but we'll suffer. And those in poorer, hotter countries will die en masse. Wars will likely happen as refugees flee countries now made inhospitable. Fascism will rise as richer countries, more able to weather the storms, become insular and focus on domestic issues to the detriment of the aforementioned refugees. Perhaps revolutions will happen. Extreme heatwaves, hurricanes, tsunamis, will threaten coastal and tropical cities, and island nations in particular, but even cooler countries will be stricken with fatal heatwaves, just less often.

None of this is "if" we miss some target. We already missed it. It is already set in stone. We can only do our best to ensure it doesn't get even worse than that. That's still not the worst possible outcome.

It is driving me to despair that so many people just don't get this.

No, not really. But it's easy to read that into it.

Yeah, liberals and conservatives only differ on whether gay people should be put to death, so you're not really saying much. And being liberal does not, whatsoever, make you immune to conservative propaganda. We live in a capitalist society, founded on liberal values: whether conservatives know it or not, it is liberal values they are conserving.

Also, as I've said about 5 times now, no one is saying that building houses alone will solve the issue. So stop beating that strawman.

Most people aren't pieces of shit and don't want people to be homeless, but then they're unwilling to do anything to solve it because it requires money and effort.

Dishonest framing. The average worker has nothing to do with this issue. They are not the people we're asking to solve this. Like I already said, it's the political and economic elite. Capitalists. The state. Where is the worker's money supposed to be sent? On what is their effort to be put?

We also have internalized that a lot of homeless people "did something wrong" to get there, which doesn't help.

Yep, neoliberal chuds, as I said

You're trying to oversimplify a complex cultural issue

How? What variables have I abstracted into a black box, here? What few mechanisms have I reduced the issue to? To me, "people want affordable housing but don't wanna pay for it" sounds extremely oversimplified.

I have no idea why you're picking an argument with someone who probably largely agrees with you.

I'm not "picking an argument with you" lol. I'm just correcting what I see as a defeatist, "what can we even do" attitude.

That's not what cognitive dissonance means. It's a question of willpower/desire to actually help. No one wants people to be homeless but they also aren't willing to do anything about it. That's not cognitive dissonance.

Sounds like semantic fudging to me. "These people need homes! No, stop building homes, it's too expensive!!" sounds like cognitive dissonance to me.

No, that is not the point it's making. It's making the point that neoliberal chuds would prefer to see homeless people than affordable housing. It doesn't say that building housing itself is the sole solution. Hell, it doesn't say anything at all about building. We don't see any construction in that picture, the blocks are just there. You could read it as saying that already built flats should just be given to people.

That's just a cop out. Of course it's complex. No reason to just throw your hands in the air and say "it's too hard, let's just leave it to the market". We already tried that. It led to this.

Also, no one is saying, literally, "building more houses will fix homelessness alone, nothing else needed, DURRR". That's just a strawman.

What we also need is a complete end to landlording. But this of course won't happen under the current system, because capitalism fucking worships private property.

Yeah, that cognitive dissonance doesn't exist, and is misleading.

Of course people would rather homeless people have housing instead of living in tent cities everywhere. But they also don’t have any desire to pay for it when it comes time to do something and of course make moral arguments against the homeless.

These are two different groups of people

The first, who are on board with state housing projects, are the common people who still have empathy for their fellow people

The second, who are totally on board with homelessness because the housing projects are "too expensive", belong to the political and economic elite