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artificial insemination isn't rape. it's a veterinary procedure.

Again you made the fallacy of assuming something is necessary despite it being part of an unnecessary system.

i did no such thing.

Causing unnecessary suffering isn’t cruel?

it's only cruel if the suffering is the intention of the practice. if we could remove the suffering, we would. so it's not cruel, it's indifferent.

You’re trying to argue that it is because mammaries are part of the meat that some animals consume. That’s a false equivalency.

i think it's absolutely no different ethically, but what differences exist make our practices more humane: we don't murder a cow every time we drink milk.

What we do, exploiting an animal directly for their milk, is not normal in the animal kingdom.

this is a bandwagon fallacy.

i'm saying they are not cognizant of their personal mortality. if you can get me a cognitive-behavior paper that undercuts this, i'd love to read it.

there is some question about whether it's justified, sure, but it's not inherently cruel. the suffering isn't the point of the practice, it's incidental.

"spiders have evolved to produce webs. evolutionary pressures have favored species which produce webs that are safe for the organism and effective at trapping enough prey to maintain the life and reproductive cycles of the organism."

By all accounts, causing suffering to an animal is cruel when it’s not needed

that's not true. but even if it were, you don't have a monopoly on what may be considered necessary. a dairy farmer may say he needs to participate in any of the practices you find abhorrent to feed his family, and i wouldn't tell him he's wrong.

I’m not sure what ethical system you’re referring to that would determine whether something is ethical.

literally, any. pick one.

They know they’re about to die and they exhibit a clear desire to live.

where is your peer reviewed article?

They don’t wish to die. This is very clear in their behaviour.

then it should be a simple matter to find an animal cognitive behaviorist to support this position. it's not, though, because behavior does not entail cognition.