MacNCheezus

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago (3 children)

No, I’m merely pointing out that I would be wasting my time arguing with people who do not even care enough to make a semantically coherent argument.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (5 children)

I think that's both fairly accurate, and seems to be more or less the norm across all cultures for most of history. Regular people are mostly benign, those in power tend to get worse the more power they have.

This poses an interesting question: what if this is in fact the most self-stable and therefore sustainable solution in the long term? And is it actually fair to assume that those in power benefit asymmetrically, or do they pay for it in ways that people without such means or ambition cannot even fathom?

If you live a normal, unremarkable life and generally get along with others, you probably won't have much excess material wealth, but you will also have relatively few enemies. The more you try to compete for the position of the top dog, however, the more you have to watch your back. Is it really preferable to sleep in a palace surrounded by armed guards because you are worried about assassins, just so you can own 50 nice cars you'll barely ever get to drive?

In other words, people who envy the rich and powerful always only ever look at the benefits, never at the price they pay for their privilege.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

Apple Silicon has entered the chat

[–] [email protected] -3 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Who's history?

World history.

Russian communism: ~5M dead in the Holodemor
Chinese communism: ~15-55M dead in the Great Famine
Cambodian communism: >1M dead in the Killing Fields

inb4 not real communism

Okay, then explain the difference between scientific and utopian socialism, what what differentiates labor from labor power in the context of surplus labor value extraction?

Muh "you can't criticize socialism because you don't understand THEORY". You probably don't understand capitalism either outside of socialist critiques of it. Then how can you be so certain of what capitalists believe?

Put a bandaid on a gunshot wound while you're at it.

"I can't help EVERYONE so I'm just not gonna help ANYONE".

*goes off and tries to convince people to follow an ideology that only works if everyone believes in it.

can you name any successful socialist revolution that didn't involve education and the creation of mass popular support?

Can you name one socialist revolution that hasn't involved massive amounts of murder and violence?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago

Glad they're keeping it safe at work.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 11 months ago (12 children)

Communism isn't "people working for the common good," it's people working to improve their own material conditions.

Same goes for capitalism. Why is it called communism then, if your definition doesn't even contain any reference to anything communal? At the very least, it would have to be "people working together to improve their own material conditions", but that's perfectly acceptable in capitalism as well.

Come on now, if you want to have a debate about this, at least try to make argument that doesn't fall apart at the slightest breeze.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 11 months ago (10 children)

So you admit then, that in order for socialism to work, people have to overcome their own selfishness first and learn how to cooperate with others?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Well, it’s not like I haven’t tried, but the problem is that if you ask two leftists what they believe, you tend to get three different opinions, and they’re all based on theory.

Also, few of them can hold an argument, as soon as you present a criticism, they feel personally attacked and tend to become hostile.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago (36 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

It just entered the "rebellious teenager" phase

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