In the short-term, all types of cars will exist including PHEVs. It is the BEV fanatic that is trying to eliminate all alternatives.
Hypx
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Solar got cheap and then it became widespread. You are witnessing the same thing happen with hydrogen now.
That's revisionist history. Wind and solar were widely condemned as being inferior technology in the past. They are in many ways worse than hydropower, their main zero emission competitor of the time.
Your repeating some old anti-hydrogen story probably from either an oil company or a battery company. An FCEV gets around 70 MPGe. There is very little argument that it is somehow less green than existing petrol cars. It's an obvious repeat of classic anti-green rhetoric. We heard everything from solar panels or hybrids being demonized as being worse than the conventional solution by random fossil fuel marketing firms. It's all bunk.
And no to that last claim either. There's a good reason to believe that an FCEV is greener than a BEV. For starters, it has much less upfront emissions during production. And at something like 30% green hydrogen, the BEV will never catch up to the FCEV, even if it is running on 100% green electricity.
How did you react to all green tech in the past? With wind, solar, and even the BEV to some extent, you listen to the supporters and not the detractors. Only after the technology got widely deployed could you listen to real criticisms, mostly from real-world studies or analyses. None of the imagined problems from the detractors ever came true. Hydrogen cars will be the same.
And every green tech got accused of being a secretly dirty technology. It's total BS. Why do you even believe the story that hydrogen vehicles are worse than petrol cars? It is utter gibberish and was the same story as BEVs being accused of being worse than petrol cars.
FCEVs are happening now. People should not fall for the marketing BS that its still far off in the future.
You need grams of platinum. It is not a big deal. And not all fuel cells need platinum.
All EVs are as green as their energy source.
Toyota and Honda have not swapped to a 100% BEV fleet. It is currently what is in vogue, and everyone invest in it. But like the diesel car, that does not imply it is the future. In reality, BEVs are still a niche product and current demand is entirely created via subsidies. The current wave of BEV excitement will not last beyond the end of those huge subsidies.
Most criticisms of hydrogen cars are just marketing from competing technologies. You shouldn't believe them. In reality, hydrogen cars will be the cheaper type of EV, and the fuel will plunge in cost. It is the same story as what happened to wind and solar.
It's worth noting that those same group of guys thought it will have zero role to play just a few years ago. Now it's "limited roles." Who knows want the next report will say. And it's dominated by Tories and other conservatives. I even recognize some of them as critics of hydrogen. It is definitely not a real science paper or an impartial report.
Hydrogen is going to play a massive role, regardless of what some elderly people think. Factually speaking, there's very few alternatives to hydrogen in the first place. If not hydrogen, it would have to be something like ammonia or e-fuels. None of which are dramatically superior. As a result, by saying that it doesn't work, you're coming close to admitting defeat on climate change.
It's the battery with the lowest amount of raw material needs. Quite literally turning water into an energy storage system.
Most of these studies are written by conservatives, or occasionally by wealthy liberal elites with significant conflicts of interest. No one should believe in them.
Put it this way: Wind and solar are terribly inefficient. Why did they catch on despite those problems? Because cost is very low. The criticisms are usually just old people making up stories to rationalize why their outdated investments are still viable.
You must have a very narrow understanding of what is happening. Germany has dramatically shifted towards pro-hydrogen: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-10-18/germany-to-fast-track-hydrogen-grid-in-cleaner-energy-transit
That's pretty much made-up. Hydrogen is not a big deal to handle. The "it's a GHG" argument seems to come from some special interest group funded by the fossil fuel industry. It's actually pretty suspect of a claim, and it was never a particularly big effect even if it is real.
Then you may prefer something like oligopoly. The goal is to have just a few companies that only make one type of car with no other options. Cost of transportation will go much higher. The conclusion is still the same: very little or no consumer choices.