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Plex has been more and more pushing their personal shit into your UI over the years.

Do you have any specific examples in mind or are you planning on leaving that as an assertion?

If you need examples, you've probably never used Linux. The majority of programs I use have to be installed through CLI or appimage while the same software on Mac and Windows are installed with a simple executable file or installation wizard.

AppImage. All the user-friendly distros are configured so that installing/running those is a button click.

You're lying again. You have to download them and then enable them to run as executable, and then everyone one of them launches with a generic image, you can't pin them to your launcher, and you can't launch them on startup, you have to launch them from within the file manager. The system does not treat them as an app at all. Just a random file.

It's the fucking file manager. Have you ever used windows

Yeah. We just call it a fuckin file manager.

Oh my sweet summer child.

Okay so just to be clear, you believe that people pay extra money to use Windows, even though Linux is just as good, or better? This is the position you want to take?

Honestly it's hilarious that you pointed out drivers on Windows because that is a massive sore point on Linux and further solidifies your delusional nature.

As I said: You have to hunt for software. That, precisely, there, is hunting for software. Where do you get that software from? Random .zip domains? And .exe installers? People don't even manage to use, or demand, .msis.

And as I said, we're discussing software not found in package managers, which is a lot of it. The only way to find it is to "hunt for it", which usually involves typing the name into a search engine and clicking the first link that pops up and then clicking the "download" button.

The difference is there is no download button for Linux, just a bunch of code you're expected to type into the CLI that doesn't work.

I even had to install drivers on windows. Drivers.

LOL like you don't on Linux? I mean sometimes you don't because they literally don't exist. Like pretty much any fingerprint reader or Nvidia graphics card?

And don't get me started on Explorer's

I don't know what Explorer is other than a shitty SUV.

I use Linux because it just works.

That is just the most hilariously incorrect nonsense. If it were true, no one would pay money for Windows and Microsoft would go out of business.

You gotta open up a web browser, and if you don't know the webpage already you gotta search for it, find the download page on that website, get passed the likely popups and other crap and then finally select the right version of the software to download.

Which is all 1000x easier and more intuitive than installing an appimage or tar.gz or whatever other 1000 Linux filetypes need to be installed using the CLI. It honestly boggles my mind that you can't understand this.

Package managers are 10000% better.

Yes I agree but we were specifically discussing software that's not found in package managers, which is a lot of it.

Putting in winget search

WTF is a winget?

no popup crap, and no fake download button ads trying to get you to install malware

If you are installing software from websites with pop-up ads and malware, that is a whole other problem not related to the OS.

You have to hunt for software on windows way more than on Linux.

No you don't. No one uses the Windows store. You just go to the website that makes the software and download and open the .exe

Dude it's Amazon. You can buy virtually anything with that store credit.

I mean you got paid 5 quid to rent a movie. I'd call that a win...

When T9 was all we had, we got real good at it.

No software updates mean they have to get it right the first time, which they always seemed to manage.

Oh yeah 100%. You would think a company built on privacy and security would have better support for the most private and secure OS.

Modern Mint and Ubuntu come with completely GUI driven package managers for installing and updating.

Okay and...what about the cornucopia of software that is not available in those repositories?

The only reason you would have to use the CLI is if you are doing some power user stuff

No it's not. You're just wrong about that and I don't understand why you feel the need to lie about it. Any kind of diagnostics or troubleshooting you try to find support for Linux will be almost guaranteed to send you into the CLI.

You sound awfully close minded and angry for some reason too.

I am not closed-minded but I am angry because people throw around "it's easy" all the time with zero concept of what a typical person is capable of. So idiots like me dive into it and spend hours and hours trying to make it work until we just give up and then have to go back and undo all of it just to get shit working again, which is just a giant fucking waste of time.

You don't have to really use the CLI on the simpler Linux distros nowadays

Yes. You do.

You are basically doing the same process but clicking buttons to setup a CLI command

How do you not realize how clicking a bunch of sensibly-labeled buttons is one thousand times easier and more intuitive than memorizing a library of commands and when and how to use them?

I'm just telling you that it is not unintuitive.

And I'm just telling you that you're wrong.

it's just slightly different from Windows

No. It is not "slightly different". In my 30 years of using Windows I have never used the CLI, which you have to use on a regular basis on Linux to complete basic tasks. I detailed this example elsewhere. There's absolutely nothing intuitive about the CLI.