AMillionNames

joined 11 months ago
[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

To fight disinformation, you first have to know what disinformation is, and the people being activists don't really care about how much of a hypocrite they are acting as or on what vague presumptions they are or aren't acting on. My suggestion, do what Cambridge Analytica did and has continued to exist under Emerdata and competitors, but make the data collected and the inferred relations visible to all so that people can see their surrounding and other people's surroundings and get a notion of how and why they might be getting affected by them. Instead, we have people arguing that keeping functionality already visible to admins, and easily subject to manipulation, but hidden to the rest of the users, like upvotes and downvotes, should be kept hidden in social networks supposedly intended to be more transparent. Not even going to bring up some of the people leading those networks. I have little hope.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago

Sounds like job security to me.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

Merry Ymas!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

If people recognize the problem, it can be more robust like our legal systems. Maybe the federated nature of the system could also work towards one.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

It has been, and it has been surprisingly ineffective.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Yeah, no, putting other people down is not the way to go, and is usually a trait of social networks I tend to avoid. Here's what you could have said:

Lemmy may have fewer people, but it has more passionate people.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (6 children)

I sort of disagree, abusive power mods / admins can ruin your interaction with any community, big and small. The only thing that varies is how much of an effect that they can have and whether you have the bad luck to get targeted by their small insecure egos.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Best nomenclature for sorting.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

My point is, if you are going to be dealing with it anyway, why would you participate in the social network that is order of magnitudes smaller? You can access content on reddit without an account, the problem is participating alongside the community.

For all intents and purposes, since you are still locked out on lemmy from doing because of its server-centric communities regardless of which instance you choose, it boils down to the same outcome for the same desired goal - creating an alt - except with an order of magnitudes smaller reward - far less population and engagement than on reddit.

So rather than sticking to lemmy, it seems natural that people go back to their old but bigger platforms.

Federated is great for maintaining persistence of your account beyond the whims of fickle admins, but that's a tertiary problem. No one is that exited about keeping their user history, they are excited about participating with everyone else about the topic that is being discussed.

It's not worthless, but I can understand it explaining some of the decreasing population numbers if they encounter it even just once after months of participating on the platform because of how disruptive it is. No one is normally going to stick around a community when only the fraction of the local users in your own lemmy instance can view it.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

If you mean to choose a Yet Another Small Community of Users, there's never been a shortage of those, and there's barely a need for the federated space for that.

If you don't want to see how abusing power to remove and drive users away from communities removes and drives users away from communities, I don't know what to tell you, but I think people are coming to the federated space seeking alternatives to reddit and twitter, not just small communities, so unless something is done about the federated architecture, what happens to access to the biggest communities will always matter in regards to population numbers.

If a user gets their account banned and purged for barely any reason but extreme escalation, I think that will always be a concern - you have no assurance that users will simply create another account and remain. If there's going to be abuse by the leadership in the alternative, why would anyone who comments on RedditMigration simply remain in the fediverse and not go back to Reddit? If you are going to get falsely accused accused and banned for shit reasons, even to the point of an admin of the most popular instance fabricating accusations that you are an alt of a CSAM account, why would most people remain?

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