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I played WoW a bit after its initial release through the first couple xpacs. Getting the MMO itch again, but I know the WoW I grew up with doesn't really exist anymore, so now I'm pretty out of touch.

For those of you playing / recently played an MMO, which one? How's the community? How's the lore? Gameplay in pve/pvp/rvr?

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 year ago (2 children)

FFXIV

I don't PVP so I can't speak to that but the lore and PVE is solid. Gameplay is very classic MMO. The releases continue to be ranked and reviewed higher with each one that comes out. Players are strongly encouraged to help new players (sprouts) via the mentoring program. Community has been so good, very helpful, never seen anyone rage or get angry at a new person, or anyone for that matter. Very LGBTQ+ friendly. TONS of fun stuff to do on the side between chapters like glamour or housing for folks that want a chill experience or you can do savage raids or hunts for the more hardcore game play focused players. Me and a friend love to just run around to all the apartments and houses to check out everyone's place from time to time. Some are really amazing. I'll throw mine and my buddy's apartment in that ring we put a lot of work in and did some really cool tricks to make the space feel bigger and more unique. Some people turn their houses into cafes or dance clubs, some require RPing when you visit some don't. They are pretty fun to go to. From time to time they'll have giveaways for gill or items at the parties.

BONUS: It's totally free up to level 70 so you have plenty of time to figure out if the game is for you.

I'm not playing right now, taking a quick break but I'm in the NA server Sargatanas. The name is Obi-Bun Kenobi, I think I have the address to my place in my Adventurer Plate. I leave the apartment unlocked so people can use it for g-posing or just to have a nice place to hang. Come check it out sometime!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

XIV is the WoW that respects your time.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

This fucked up pay to win one called "Life". Shit is hard as hell and I don't think the devs even care about balance.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Oh my god don't even get me started on this game.

Get this, you know how over time you get fatigue points and can only get rid of them by eating food items you've previously gathered? Well, when doing this one day last week my character nearly fucking died because of some race condition glitch where mid-swallow they tried to breathe for some unknown reason and because the devs, in their infinite fucking wisdom, decided that while there are two completely separate and incompatible systems for food and air, they must accessed via the same hole, but clearly not at the same time!

The mind boggles, I hope someone was fired for that blunder.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

I'm sorry but this is actually pretty fucking funny!

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The ones I've been playing on and off over the past few years are Guild Wars 2 and Lord of the Rings Online.

GW2 is a really nice game to just pick up and play without needing huge time investments. It has a fun gameplay loop and well designed zones to explore. Haven't gotten around to playing the new expansion yet, but I hear it's pretty good.

LOTRO is great for that traditional MMO experience. The community is very friendly and surprisingly active. It has a nice atmosphere. They are also frequently giving away the expansion packs, so you get a lot of content for free.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lotro used to be a fantastic MMO, I gave a big chunk of my life to that game.

I quit playing after Mordor though, game just got too pointlessly difficult, even on landscape, lost all the fun I had with it.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

FFXIV is a fantastic game, with a fantastic free trial that lets you play the entire base game for free (and i think they recently expanded that to the first expansion too), and its beautiful as hell, has a fantastic story, and doesnt require a super computer to run.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (4 children)

They actually just expanded it to the second expansion, so you now get the base game of A Realm Reborn, as well as Heavensward and Stormblood included in the free trial.

It's also releasing for beta on Xbox later this year (currently it's PC and PS4/5) so there's due to be a new influx of players as well, so it's a good time to start playing. That and the new expansion is due out in the new year too.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Oh, neat. I thought it was the first expansion, but hte second?

Thats a whole lot of content for free.

Apologies for my accidental misinformation.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

No stress! It's only changed recently (like it was only announced at the NA Fanfast a few months back), so nothing wrong with having missed the change!

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago

GW2 for the past 11 years, except for a stretch where I played ESO for a few months.

Community's mostly great. Cooperation between players is strongly fostered by the game's design (no kill or resource stealing, no competing for drops, etc), so players tend to get along in almost every PvE situation.

Lore is good, but not nearly as expanded upon as Warcraft's.

Gameplay is what makes it IMO. Skill effects and some gear skins can be a bit obnoxious, especially when you're in large groups for open world and World vs World, but it's still enjoyable. Don't play normal PvP, so can't comment on that.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago

Check out FF14. Great free trial option. Community is overwhelmingly good (though none is perfect). PvE is pretty damn good, especially once you get to late/end game. PvP is not the best (IMO) but it is very active if you do like it. Has a couple different modes including a 5v5 push the objective mode and a 24v24v24 objective capture mode. No RvR.

Kinda boring/typical MMO at first, but really picks up. With the free trial can play the base game and first two expansions for free, plus get the jobs (classes) from those (most of the ones in the game) up to level 70. Including crafting/gathering jobs. Can easily spend 1000+ hours just on the free trial if you choose to maximize it, but the expansions and sub are worth it IMO. And unlike WOW you van access all those classes on one character and switch with the press of a few buttons.

And the next expansion is summer of next year, so you do have time to catch up if you decide you want to get into it.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Old School RuneScape, getting in a clean 7 hours a day

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Actually the wow you know does exist, they're called Classic servers and have a huge community.

But I stick to retail servers, wow has come a long way and I think it's the most fun it's ever been nowadays.

To each their own tho.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Season of Discovery for WoW classic also looks really interesting. It was just announced and is starting soon I think!

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

I don’t have time for MMOs, but the only one that didn’t completely feel like a waste of time was FFXIV.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

I was the same way. I quit WoW after WotLK, and started looking into it again about two years ago. Then I saw the bad reviews and how the story tanked. So I looked around at the other big ones, and FFXIV looked interesting. The story is kind of average until you get past level 50 stuff, but it gets really good. Shadowbringers is just a masterpiece. Easily as good as any other FF title you've played. I came for the graphics, and stayed for the lore. Compared to WoW, the graphics are great, that is.

The PvE is good, especially when you consider that you don't need an alt. If you make it to level 60 and find you don't like the class you picked, you can just start with a new job on your same character and continue. So you can pay all classes without going back to the newbie tutorial zones. Plus, you will "level sync" to old content. Making the level 20 dungeon worth running as a level 89. It's not instantly forgotten, dead content.

PvP isn't as good as WoW. It's fun, and I do it daily, but there's no rock paper scissors mechanics or supreme balance like back in the day in WoW.

I don't feel like I'm on a treadmill, and I'm not pressured to log in every day or fall behind. I can play casually, take a break, and not feel like I've lost out. Some people are hardcore raiders, but those days are behind me.

I would never go back to WoW now. I like it better overall than I ever did running Molten Core, or Burning Crusade even. Which was pretty peak WoW, imo.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (6 children)

WoW Ascension on the Area 52 server. This server is classless, you can pick any ability and talents you want. Plus there are mystic scrolls you can find in the world which when equipped (you can have 17 equipped at once, 1 legendary, 3 epic, then a bunch of blue or green) and these enchants completely change how abilities work to allow for you to make incredibly cool custom classes.

It's full of fresh ideas, I love it a lot!

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It's been years since I played but can't recommend GW2 enough if you didn't try it yet. One of the more unique thempark style MMOs with the focus on dynamic events instead of quests - the events branch out into other events, with different branches based on if you succeeded or failed with some dilogue in between (do stick around when events end!). Lore is rich and story is nice (it has ups and downs).

The game had its rough patches and reinvented intelf several times but now it seems its in a nice place.

Also, I figured I would plug [email protected] - it's not much active unfortunately, but seeing as there are somr MMO enjoyers here there could be some activity to be had if you don't yet know it

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

how does the newest xpac stack up? I'm a longtime player but just lately my interest has waned, but it tends to come and go and it'd be nice to know whether the newest content is worth coming back for. compared to the other xpacs I feel like they did eod dirty with how little time they gave it before releasing another full expansion (hell, path of fire got essentially two full living story releases)

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

I'd recommend watching Josh Strife Heyes videos on MMOs, but if you want an overview, the biggest ones are WoW, FFXIV, and Guild Wars 2. I'd recommend the latter.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I still play EVE online, having a lot of fun in faction warfare these days.

A video came out on the history of the game recently, just a cool 6 hour deep dive. https://youtu.be/BCSeISYcoyI?si=1sKdXt8oPRUTbzs1

I've also gotten into Guild Wars 2 recently and I'm a little addicted. The game just feels great: nice community, events are engaging, so much stuff to do but at the same time not demanding like games can be sometimes.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Guild Wars 2 is great!

I'm biased because I've been playing it since launch, but I've also dabbled in the others and simply couldn't justify a sub fee when

a) there are so many other games I'd like to play simultaneously and not feel guilty doing so b) there's no gear treadmill! It really sucks in games like WoW where I want to check out the older content to get up to speed and just the zones were dead. Conversely, I'm doing map completion with my wife in GW2 and even the core maps had a bunch of people running around doing dynamic events and world bosses. The game feels so much more alive!

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I dislike MMOs that require friends, working together, joining other people. I'm not knocking it. It's just not for me.

So the closest things to MMOs that I like are more single player but with people. Kinda like people who go to coffee shops with a laptop.

The list:

Fallout 76. I jump back in every few months to check out my house and then leave. I played for about 350 hours before I felt like I did everything.

New World. It got pretty good! Honestly I just like chopping wood. Maybe 100 hours?

Elder Scrolls Online. The combat is so "floaty". But if you can get passed it, the story is really really really good. Maybe 400 hours?

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Even though I don't play many MMOs anymore, I still boot up Old School Runescape every now and then. It's still a good time.

I've also heard good stuff about STAR WARS: The Old Republic, but have yet to try it myself

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I recently got the urge to play WoW again, so I figured I'd cash in on the 'free play til level 20' thing and play on a Classic server. Except those are pay only. Decided I'd try retail since it was free and quit within an hour. I've been really loving Turtle WoW, however.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I usually play Guild Wars 2, but at the moment I’m trying out World of Warcraft: Classic Hardcore. It’s quite fun and challenging.

WoW: Seasons of Discovery has also ~~peaked~~ piqued my interest. I hope it has potential to become WoW: Classic+.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Piqued. "peaks" are tops of mountains or pinnacle of achievement.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

maybe his interest has peaked and it's only going downhill from here

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

I keep going back to Star Trek Online for some star ship pew pew. I usually get a month or two in going back over the story arcs and participating in events until the constant event schedule makes me realize I'm trapped in the grind and not playing any other games. So I drop it to break free and play the rest of my game library. The community isn't something I really interact with as pretty much all of the game content is playable solo or antisocial (the team content is easy enough you can just random queue and don't really have to talk or strategize with them). It is overwhelmingly PvE (though PvP is technically in the game) and it has some fun lore if you are a Star Trek fan.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

World of Warcraft Retail ... still.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

You can play Classic (Vanilla) WoW officially and you can play Wrath of the Lich King. Next will be Cataclysm. So the old WoW still exist in some way.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

This post spurred me to see if Rift were still a thing; apparently it is! I got in quite early when it was still unfinished and played it well after launch. They ended up doing a pretty big overhaul at some point and that's roughly when I got out as I didn't want to have to figure things out again. I may pick it back up. I have no idea what the playerbase (or the actual game these days) is like, though.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

My girlfriend and I play Elder Scrolls Online, and I'll boot up the Dark Age of Camelot private server Eden from time to time.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

It's still in pre-alpha, but I've been playing a lot of Veloren.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As a disclaimer, I am very casual with my game play, but I do love me some MMOs.

I was playing New World pretty much since it's release and I've loved every minute. Good graphics, ok story line, cool combat, no subscription (which is a big factor for me since I'm so casual). Pvp, pve, raids are relatively new, good community from what I've seen.

From my understanding is that if you play a bunch of hours everyday and grind, grind, grind, you'll quickly be bored since there's lack of end game content, but I haven't been bored at my pace.

I've recently downloaded and have been playing Starfield, so I haven't been playing NW since, but I do miss NW.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

WoW, but with short and longer breaks. It’s a massive time sink, and I simply do not have the time that WoW demands in order to accomplish most of the things.

It can be an enjoyment, can be fun, can also cause you to burnt out so fast.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Currently winning at EVE Online.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

If you watch the blizzcon talk where hozzikostas talks about the new features coming out in the next xpac, you'll want to reinstall GW2 too.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

City of Heroes

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I started with MMOs back in the MUD days, both on dial up BBSs and (eventually) on university servers. I will always remember the sysop who walked me through signing up for his BBS MUD while I was giving responses like “y” and “go north” because I thought he was just an infocom game and not an actual person. Twelve year old me was so embarrassed that I never went back. If you’re out there, sysop, or if you’re just someone who has tried their best to support online communities despite the best intentions of absolute idiots, I salute you.

I played EverQuest since it came out, stupidly choosing a ranger and studying fletching all very badly because I didn’t know about gaming the game mechanics and had read too many fantasy novels. I played a lot, mostly by myself, and didn’t get too far. I also tried EQ2 when it came out, and when Diablo 2 released I decided to experiment with gaming the trading market.

I was an early WoW adopter. I played through the level caps two or three times. I joined a more serious raiding guild when I hit 60 (instead of my old rpg guild) and cornered the market on cotton a couple of weeks in a row here and there. I eventually fell out of it - end game content turned into feeling like a job, where you had to study and rehearse in order to get past bosses, your loot dropping was like a 1 in 20 chance, and if you screwed up a single person could cause a group wipe. Honestly, it just got boring compared to being a level 8 warlock wandering around.

What is keeping me from trying new ones is that there’s a massive disadvantage in starting an MMO that’s already been going on for years and years. You can fire up Skyrim for the very first time this afternoon, and have the exact same experience (honestly, a much improved one) as if you fired it up on launch day. I can launch Baldur or Disco or Stray and just not have to worry about getting ganked other than what was already intended by the devs. There was a time in EverQuest where another player challenged me to 1v1 and finally talked me into trying it, then proceeded to beat the living shit out of me but then bandage me right before I died. He kept on doing it until I disconnected. As funny as that was in retrospect, it’s also a problem with MMOs in general.

I would love for there to be a new WoW - something that restored the magic of the game when you could solo or group up and both explore the world and feel progress. I’m still waiting.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I agree about WoW. For me too much time focusing on dailies and then not enough time to play the game.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Currently I try to decide between New World and Guild Wars 2. Can't play both but not sure which to pick ....

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If you're mainly interested in PVP or resource gathering, New World.

If you want better PVE, more interesting storylines and better more varied world design, Guild Wars 2.

Personally, I quit New World as a mainly PVE player after playing for around 30 hours. It was just too mind-numbing killing the same 5 mob types over and over even after getting to a new area. Even reading all the quest texts, I never got very interested in the world or (barely existant) storyline.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

All of them. If it exists I'm on there.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

WoW was my introduction to MMOs, and ive never really replaced it, despite trying out ff and eso. That voids still unfilled, but I have picked up Warframe, which i suppose might technically count, but its not quite the same - third person mission based sci fantasy shooter doesnt quite scratch the same itch, but it is an mmo.

Great quests, i really enjoy them when they come in.

Labyrinthine progression system, im currently building a new class so that i can generate an Impact weapon and then i'll throw the class into the dumpster, absorb its power blue-mage style, slap it on a different class, and use an upgrade from another part of the game to turn that impact weapon into an energy generator, slap the ability on another class i like, and use the impact energy generator fueled ability to set up a whip attack that needs enemies affected by the blue maged impact energy weapon fueled ability to farm another - ok ill stop, but its this kind of game.

The space hats are good and pretty to look at. most important part imo.

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