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Iron Man-inspired material made from DNA and glass is 5x stronger than steel — and 4x lighter::Regular glass is brittle and fragile. But pure glass coated on DNA is a different beast entirely.

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[–] [email protected] 113 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I always hear about these new amazing materials. While they’re great concepts they’re usually held back by how crazy expensive they are to produce. I’m betting this falls into that bin

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Yep. As soon as you read the title you know it's useless.

Either too expensive, or it only works at a microscopic level but doesn't scale, or just doesn't actually work.

It's like all the cancer cures you hear about that unfortunstely mostly don't pan out. Just clickbait headlines.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's like all the cancer cures you hear about that unfortunstely mostly don't pan out.

That one is worse than you think. More than one viable cancer cure was destroyed by stock market shenanigans - bad actors short sell the company in to the ground, take over the board, destroy what's left of the company, sell off what they can piecemeal while trashing the rest, and they do it that way only because they don't have to pay back those shorted stocks with no company anymore, they don't at all care what the company is doing only that they can parasitize it. It's twisted as hell.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Got a source for this? Sounds like an interesting story

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I had it linked in my reddit account which I wiped clean months ago.. if I have time I'll search the account dump for it though.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

A cure for a cancer is worth billions.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

They want instant gratification and lack all empathy towards others. They're sociopaths.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Cures are worthless compared to lifetime treatment regiments. That's putting aside the other facts like how widely varied cancers can be making a singular "cure" infeasible.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Cures are worthless compared to lifetime treatment regiments

This is ridiculous. "Company name cures cancer" would be the greatest advertising for any company ever. Cancer will still happen and the cure will always be needed. It would be wildly profitable.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

One thing to always have in mind is that the poor researchers making these discoveries are victims too. They spend months, if not years researching and when they publish their research some random tech website make a clickbait article about it, usually by taking a few sentences out of context and using hyperbole.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A lot of cancer stuff isn’t actually a cure, and if it is it’s only for a specific type of cancer and the success rate is never a headline item.

So you read a headline that says “cure of cancer” which is conveniently leaving out “for specific cancer abc in these specific circumstances with a success rate of 58%”

There’s never really been a true “cure for all cancer 100% success rate” found, and anyone who claims otherwise is misunderstanding the science being discussed.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

not to mention many such "cures" that make it to the headlines are still the animal trial phase...

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago

Aluminum was used as the cap to the Washington monument because it was worth so much...

Takes a while to make stuff cheap

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago (3 children)

It could also be that the material is just not all that special. "Stronger than steel" is a very easy goal to achieve. Lighter is easy too. Now pair those two with higher fracture toughness, and you have something worth talking about.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"Stronger than steel"

Recovering machinist here, and I agree. The other thing that annoys me about "StRoNgEr ThAn StEeL" is that there is a wide variety of different types of steel, all with different strength charachteristics. Some types of steel are 5x stronger than other types of steel.

Same thing for Ford's "Military grade" aluminum. The truck bodies are made out of 5052 and 6061 depending on how it's shaped. Those are literally the most common grades of aluminum. And that's what you'd make a truck body out of, but its funny.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Also, industrial grade, surgical grade, space grade or whatever grade stuff is just funny marketing BS to me. You could probably come up with fancy terms for selling something as mundane as pencils. Instead of calling the materials wood and graphite, these marketing monkeys would probably use some fancy super high tech words instead.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

These advanced pencils are designed by A.I. and use biological carbon foam encasing stacked layers of graphene!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How about throwing in some ”organic lignin composite nanomaterial” to jazz up the sales pitch. Just imagine the 300 million years of continuous development to form this fine material with extraordinary tensile properties…

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"lignin" was the word I couldn't think of, thanks! I probably should have tried to crowbar "blockchain" in there somewhere.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Oh, totally forgot about blockchains. I wonder if there’s a way to include blockchains, NFTs and cryptocurrencies into a pencil purchase. Maybe each package of pencils could come with an NFT corresponding with the physical objects or something like that. Remember that time when people wanted to buy NFTs corresponding to a part of the world map. Well, why would you want to own the NFT of France when you can own the NFT of this pencil. :D

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

The only one I have personal experience with that's real would be "analytical grade" with respect to chemicals. And probably Food grade. Those actually mean something.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The real success here seems to be creating a super nano configurable lattice out of DNA that can then be coated with other things to make a composite reinforced material like super fine reinforced cement. The article I've read only mention the 5 times compressive strength for glass, but their next try will be carbon fiber, which has comparable fracture toughness to steel even without this lattice design.

I guess I don't understand all the negativity in this thread, like everything was new once and just because every breakthrough doesn't make it to Walmart by Christmas doesn't mean it's not exciting.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I guess I don’t understand all the negativity in this thread

It’s because people have been seeing the same headline for decades, and 99% of the time it leads to nothing useful. Also, the headline is over-selling it by comparing it to fictional miracle materials.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Ok, you're probably bored with this conversation, so don't take this personally, but I'm going to double down. Check this summary of composite history in aircraft.

One of the first high-performance composite materials (for primary structures) was introduced in the 1980s on the 737 horizontal stabilizer and underwent extensive testing and in-flight evaluations. In the mid 1990s, composite vertical and horizontal stabilizers for the 777 were designed, developed, and implemented into production, reaping the benefits of lightweight structures and improved aircraft performance

It took 30-40 years from first industrial use to ubiquity, that's not counting the time between research success to first industrial use. If you see things move from lab to everyday use within your lifetime that's more or less expected rate of progress.

And the scientists involved were inspired by the movie, that's not hype, is just how people are motivated to make these first steps when they know they may not even live to see the real world outcomes.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I mean.. Also the looming climate apocalypse.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Yeah, theres a reason why trains, ships, and trucks are all made with steel. The ongoing toughness. Higher fracture or whatever the engineers call it.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago

Yeah articles talking about them usually say something about how "in 10 to 20 years it'll be ready for mass production!" and then you never hear about them again.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"And so we drew Superman instead. Same diff."

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

“So midjourney came up with this BS image and we didn’t even care to look at it closely”

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Technically steel does contain iron, I guess.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Damn who would have thought semen made a good binder with glass 👀

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago

Finally, a market for my skills

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

‘Star Wars Inspired Laser Sword’

(Body copy:) Never gonna happen but someone was ‘inspired’ by it.