Basile says he’s also spent his free time studying AI tools, and he keeps tweaking his resume, cutting it from 10 pages to two, then beefing it up to 24.
Maybe he should start by dropping that tome of a resume.
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1 page (niche industries maybe 2). If you can't get your point across in 1 page then that's a huge red flag....24 pages? When I was in HR I wouldn't have even read that resume, I'm amazed he's gotten a single interview with that let alone 60.
I was just thinking that a 10 page resume sounds like you're going to be a nightmare to work with. If any work gets done it will be needlessly complicated and make everything harder for everyone.
Exactly. Either they are clueless about or refuse to follow conventions like using 1-2 page resumes, are incapable of taking outside advice, are unable to communicate succinctly, or have some other major issue.
2 pages is fine, most resumes I see is two pages, especially if you have 10+ years of relevant experience to cover
I thought this too and then I saw the requirements to apply for federal jobs. They require literally 24 pages of content.
You're right tho 2 pages and maybe a portfolio is more than enough.
Government (US) job applications, interview process, and selection criteria etc are so far removed from any civilian process that it needs to be a completely separate conversation. If he's ocassionally changing his resume down to 2 pages or getting 60 interviews a month he's not applying to US government jobs.
It seems that he has not even taken the time to understand the basics of how to find a job with a 10 page resume.. let alone 24.
Yeah, there's no way anything over a couple pages is going anywhere but the trash. No one is going to want to spend the time figuring out how he's inflating his resume.
My field has quite a bit more educational and licensing requirements than most tech jobs, and I've been practicing for nearly two decades...... I still don't think I could make a 24 page long resume.
I use a multipage resume where the first page is functional as one and if they want more detail they can flip.
The first page of my resume covers my technical skills, a summary of myself, and my most recent jobs.
When you go past that, it gets to older jobs that are still relevant, then into school, then to side projects, volunteer, etc. basically, if you liked the first page, the rest of it gives them more about who I am.
I think at this point it's either 3 or 4 pages and every time I've gotten a job it's been one where they asked me about the hobbies on the bottom of the last page, which meant they liked what they saw and liked my interview well enough.
When I update it for my next search, I'll take my first internship off because it's no longer relevant, but most everything else is.
yeah. this sounds a lot like mine. I have what grade school I have at the end but don't expect anyone to go that far but its part of who I am. I don't expect anyone to go past page one necessarily but if they drop it in the trash because its four pages then I dodged a bullet as far as I am concerned.
It's the 'war and peace' of resumes
We need to unionize, or the existing Tech/Communications unions need to get better and expand to include us.
We also need to force tech departments to stop offshoring their workers, I love our Indian tech Bros as much as the next guy, but companies need to hire local first rather than ripping off Indian tech Bros on the cheap just because they can.
And lastly, let remote workers who can do their jobs perfectly fine working remote stay remote, there is absolutely no reason why someone who works in cloud or virtualization technologies should have to be onsite, same with developers, same with so many other positions, both tech and standard.
The visa rules make it too easy for employers to take advantage of foreign workers. 30 days to find a new job isn't enough, IMO, so they have to put up with a lot more than they should.
He estimates he’s had about three interviews a day
Bullllllshit. Three introductory calls with recruiters per day, maybe, but not interviews.
'tech job' is a very broad term
Project manager is not a tech job.
If you're a project manager in IT, and you don't have a technical background, you can fuck right off.
It's absolutely a tech job if it's being done right.
"okay and our client specifically said make it pop. James can you do that for us by end of day?"
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Say you don’t work in tech without saying you don’t work in tech.
I’m a dev. Love them or hate them, PMs are vital to success of projects.
Good PMs are vital to the success of projects, and bad PMs are vital to their failure.
This right here. I have worked with a dozen PMs in 30 years, only two were any damn good. One managed an IT team, and she didn't know tech worth squat, but God damn, did she keep the flow going and know how to get shit done without being an ass about it.
On the other hand, I faught with a PM once because he didn't understand the concept of priorities or how to manage a crisis. "You want me to fix the outage or attend a meeting about it?" "Both." "Pick one. You have a choice. I can fix the issue in the data center, or join a blame session in the meeting room. Which one?" "BOTH!" I got to the meeting room, and he demanded we put down our laptops and pay attention. He invited EVERYBODY regardless of whether they were needed or not. Twenty seven people all bitching about the outage and not a single person fixing it. No meeting moderation. Just chaos until he had a panic attack. Just useless.
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Of the 30-50 PMs I've worked with in my career, I've had 2 actively contribute to the success of my team's work. I've had a handful scuttle projects because they couldn't manage the clients, the rest just kind of hung out and collected a massive paycheck.
The highest performing teams I've been on had the lead developer play that role.
The role is vital, the PM it's self is not.
Completely agreed that the role is vital. For me, my PM is a life saver as my workload is simply too much to also handle PM duties.
That’s said, I also agree that there are many useless PMs. But a good one is worth their weight in gold.
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It's not a technical job, but it is (not exclusively) a job in the technical sector.
The labor force just gained tens of thousands of America's most talented engineers, and as you pointed out, they likely have the funds to choose their next job carefully. I'm optimistic about what they will do!
Big Tech companies, like Meta, Google, and Amazon, have cut tens of thousands of jobs in recent months. Hiring freezes at many firms have followed. Meta recently rehired dozens of the people it laid off beginning last November—a drop in the bucket compared to the 11,000 people it let go last fall—and then completed more layoffs in its metaverse-focused Reality Labs division.
Large companies are a different breed. I can't imagine working for an org that expands and contracts by the tens of thousands. The fuck do you even do with that many people?
In the past month, he estimates he’s had about three interviews a day and gotten close to a role in a few companies, but he hasn’t been picked yet.
Scheduling 3 interviews a day and not getting an offer sure seems like something.
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I'm just thinking of going back to school, I graduated with an assosites and I feel like the same place I was with my high school diploma
I graduated with an assosites
I’m just thinking of going back to school
Good idea. 😏
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Times like this I am glad I went into infrastructure/factory automation. The highs are nowhere as high but the lows are nowhere as low.
In my experience, good candidates (including interns/juniors) are still landing the roles. Hiring in tech/design/product is tough because there's a deluge of applicants who've either coasted during the boom, or been sold a lie by an educational institution.
You can spot the ones who apply for 40 jobs a week, and those who've used chatGPT a mile off, and they're usually the worst candidates, with long, bland, unfocused resumes.
LinkedIn is full of my worst ex-colleagues bemoaning the lack of opportunities, like they're entitled to it.
Please tell me if I'm being unfair. Maybe I should be less cynical.
You are being unfair. I have been searching for 6+ months for a position in IT, had 2 companies that paid $40k+/yr, 1st one didn't pan out, 2nd one is in progress. Countless $15-20k/yr offers though. I am in Europe looking for remote only positions in any form of tech support, python programming but preferrably linux server/desktop support. I don't use AI, all applications are written by me. My CV is 2 pages, modern theme. 10 years experience.
I'm probably in an echo chamber. I hope that 2nd application goes well for you.
I don’t believe you are in a bubble. My experience matches with your initial assertion. We just recently hired for 3 SRE roles.
Hundreds of applicants in a 24 hour window.
We had people using some kind of LLM tool during interviews, obviously so. Others were sharing the same resume with only slight modifications, and plenty of folks who couldn’t pass the screening call or a very simple tech interview.
We also had wildly unprofessional candidates who were no-shows, or had profane/NSFW desktops or couldn’t even use a terminal - for an SRE role.
So no, you’re not alone. The great candidates get hired, headhunted even.
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Where in Europe? Depending on the country the IT job markets are wildly different.
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I’ve been saying for years that the market is saturated with too many people with too many expectations. Universities are out of touch with the actual job market and need to stop recruiting so many people into CS or engineering programs.
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You're right in my experience, I graduated highschool in 2016 and I remember how hard they pushed comp sci as some sort of magic success bullet. I thought I was terrible at math and kids who I knew weren't much better were choosing it as a major. I genuinely think in 10 years we're going to find out guidance councilers were being paid kick backs by colleges à la the pharma industry.
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