One day we will have the means to reverse every death
this post was submitted on 19 Apr 2025
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I certainly hope so! I have too much to do for just one life!
Black Mirror. Should. Not. Be. A. Roadmap.
Cunk on Earth also did a similar bit with Beethoven.
Does Charlie Brooker have some kind of enchanted typewriter that can influence the world or something?
Hell may exist only in our imagination, but humans have this uncanny ability to create what they can imagine
That's a pretty misleading headline. The news article is about a cool art installation, in which an artist has used a deceased composer's DNA to produce electrical signals that are interpreted as music. Still cool, but it's not "composing music" in the same sense as the alive musician was composing music.
It's about as close to composing as transcribing the twitches of someone with Parkinson's.
About as respectful as well, if the researcher is the person characterising this process as composing.
It seems to be the journalist presenting it as such, but in any case, I don't think the artists are suggesting it's equivalent to what the guy made when he was alive. It's an interesting artwork riffing off of the fact that the person whom the DNA belonged to was a musician. That also seems like a pretty disrespectful way to talk about people with Parkinson's.
I'm referring to completely involuntary movements... Characterising any involuntary, debilitating phenomenon as intentional or artistic is gross.
Characterising involuntary but normal phenomenon as intentional or artistic is maybe a little less gross, but still asinine.
I understand why you think it's offensive, that's fine.
I know what you mean; I think it would be hurtful to people with Parkinson's, but whatever, I luckily don't have Parkinson's so not much point arguing it.
Characterising involuntary but normal phenomenon as intentional or artistic is maybe a little less gross, but still asinine.
That seems like a very bizarre take. Isn't that a very common artistic device, to find creative interpretations of natural phenomena, and to imagine intention where there is none? I mean, art is subjective so maybe that's just your personal taste, but it seems like a strange thing to be offended by to me.
Interpretations are intentional, transformative etc.
Automating that is not.
How is it not transformative and intentional to reinterpret neurological signals as music?
The researchers are doing the composing, not the organoid. The organoid is just existing.
Okay...? Your point?
I hope to all holy fuck it’s not conscious.
It's a few cerebral cells across a mesh-- I think achieving consciousness needs a bit more than that
I think achieving consciousness needs a bit more than that
Good thing nobody knows for sure!
Well, we do know for sure it'd take more than this. We don't know what it would take, but this is far beyond the minimum it could take. If that's all it is then almost every form of life on Earth would have to be assumed to be conscious.
(Sentience is actually the word we are talking about).
The soul exists. Trust.
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Don't worry too much, it's not even part of his actual brain. It's a bunch of random brain cells grown from a DNA sample.
If we could make new conscious lifeforms from this, Blade Runner would be a documentary already.
according to the article it's a tiny smattering of brain cells grown from stem cells derived from his blood, which he donated before he died specifically for this experiment. it is in no way conscious.
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Some brain cells cobbled together from stem cells that have his DNA. None of the life experiences that made his music. You could likely get similar results with the same technique using the DNA of any random person on the street.
Even Abby Normal?
You're telling me you used an Abnormal brain?
They grew a brain organoid from his donated blood white cells that they turned into stem cells. The brain organoid produces electric impulses because that's what brain cells do. They made something artsy out of those impulses. So it's completely unrelated to whatever experience the musician could have had. DNA doesn't store acquired skills nor life memories. They could do that with anyone's cells and probably get a similar result.
. DNA doesn’t store acquired skills nor life memories
Assassin's Creed wouldn't lie to me would it?
Yeah, this was cool until all the steps show it's not "his brain". It's a genetic facsimile.
Not even a facsimile, just a thing which shares the same genetic code and doesn't resemble his developed brain in any but the most basic ways.
Quite the exaggerated headline from the look of it.
Yeah, I always want to clean up the headlines, but apparently it's against the rules.
The hard truth is that there are a lot of completely un-empathetic scientists out there.
Some of the shit I saw them doing to animals when I worked for Baxter still makes me sick when I think about it. And I only had to go into that lab a couple times.
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Shhhh! Don't interrupt him, he's decomposing.
This sounds like chatGPT with extra steps and body horror.
My Ashley O. doll is starting to glitch out a little. Should I be worried?
I genuinely thought this was an Onion headline.
Storm of lying clickbait titles today.
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