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[–] [email protected] 38 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Author is one step away from the realization that Capitalism is the culprit, and technology is just the vector.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Technology has never been the problem: there's nothing wrong with genetic engineering, AI, etc. They can (and have) been used for good.

The problem has always been the "greed is good" sociopaths using it for evil.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago

So many are...

[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Tech isn’t the problem. It’s the people in charge of it. It’s the capitalism/neo-feudalism controlling the politics.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago

Exactly. I would extend that and the article's premise to say, tech isn't innately good or bad, it is just a tool that can be applied in good or bad ways. For example at his cafe, a QR code ordering system could have been optional for those who prefer it, and could be easily implemented without collecting any personal data. And that could actually be a positive thing for those who want to reorder without getting up or who have social anxiety. But by forcing all customers into this confusing and privacy invading system, the tech becomes a bad thing.

The villain of that story is not tech. The villains are the online ordering company that decided to make a data grab, and the cafe owner who decided to buy tech so he wouldn't have to pay servers.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 days ago

The problem is the tech is no longer addressing and solving existing problems. It is only being inserted into working systems to collect data and fees, breaking the processes.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Open-source technology absolutely is making the world better.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 days ago

People forget that technology is agnostic to morals and ideals. Which is a big part of why I support FOSS. It is tech with goals that do aim for accessibility and making the world better. I am not a huge donator as I don't make much money, nor can I code well, but I donate and contribute where I can.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago

Open source analytics tools are still pushing for ad-driven business models that make the world (and the content) worse. Open source LLMs still waste computational power and pollute. And the list continues. Some open source technologies serve a good goal, some contribute to make the world as bad as some non-OSS.

[–] [email protected] 62 points 4 days ago (2 children)

tech is not the problem, corporations are.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 days ago (4 children)

More specifically, it's capitalism that is the problem, not tech.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Tech enables capitalism to take the exploitation to new lows.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 days ago

Agree. It's not the tech it's how it's used and how business owners drive the product development and timelines.

[–] [email protected] 198 points 4 days ago (5 children)

My phone struggled to load the site to order a single cold brew, pop-ups to install the custom App kept obscuring the options, and I had to register with my phone number, email address, and first and last name to buy a $5 cup of coffee.

Then walk out. Don't reward the bullshit with your money. The coffee shop ain't gonna give a shit if you keep buying coffee just to go home and complain on your blog.

[–] [email protected] 62 points 4 days ago

Came here to say this. I will never be compelled to install an app on my phone by an eatery the first time I go there. That is severely hostile design. Don’t willingly inconvenience yourself just to freely provide them your tracking info to sell.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

Or.. ask the staff for a menu, order with them, respectfully let them know how you feel about the qr/app thing (unlikely it was their decision to implement but they can pass on the complaint), and if they're unwilling to take your order (which is hopefully unlikely at this point) feel free to make a little stink (if you feel inclined) and walk out. Still ok to complain on your blog about being spammed with the app but I'd rather try the obvious options first rather than expect the owners to heuristically discover via non-returning customers that we really don't want the app.

That is, if the coffee/food/service is good, otherwise yea fuck em

[–] [email protected] 36 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

Boy do I have a story for you.

I tried to order a quesadilla from chipotle. An online exclusive. Turns out online ordering for the location nearest me was broken so I went in and explained that I was unable to order it, and I asked if I can just get one anyway. They flat out said no.

They refused to sell me a cheese quesadilla simply because it wasn’t ordered through their app/site which was broken. I just left and got food somewhere else.

I’ve been boycotting chipotle ever since.

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 4 days ago (4 children)

I understand the complaint, but the big picture of tech has a ton of upside.

Tech itself is not the issue. How it's applied is the issue.

Once tech takes hold, there is massive pressure to monetize the asset.

That's where this complaint lives. Amazing advance becomes ubiquitous, then two things inevitably occur. Companies are formed that apply the technology on unnecessary and unpopular ways (parking app is a perfect example) or the pressure to make more more MORE MONEY triggers the enshittification spiral, where "wow, you can print wirelessly now!?" becomes "my printer won't take any cartridges but brand name, and I have to watch an unskippable 30-second ad every time I print now??!!!"

It follows that as tech saturates our lives, the inevitability of enshittification will also saturate our lives.

The year is 2044, you don't feel old but the ticker is starting to skip several beats a day. Your doctor is forced to use the product at his disposal to help you, which is the PaceXMaker produced by the Tesla-Cola conglomerate. The device is a true miracle of modern science. The size of a fingernail, it pulses electricity into your heart in carefully measured bursts to support proper function of all valves, and ensures that any plaque is dissolved harmlessly away. Your iEye tracks the device status, and alerts you when it starts to run low on fuel, a proprietary enzyme designed by Tesla-Cola. When the iEye app notifies you that the enzyme is running low, simply crack open an ice cold, refreshing can of Tesla Cola Zero to refuel your device for another two hours. Need to sleep? We got you. Hook up the Tesla Cola Zero-Venous BeautyRest to your ArmDock (patent pending) for up to five hours of relaxing enzyme replenishment. You can remove the arm dock after you confirm six ad-watch minute credits on your iEye.

Tesla-Cola: We Got You

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 3 days ago (4 children)

I prefer the saying "technology is a tool and a tool can be used for good or evil" or something like that

You can use a hammer to hammer nails or to injure someone

Technology can make the world better if its in the right hands for example open source hardware & software

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Technology absolutely helps advance science and helps the disabled, It’s greedy fucks that destroyed good tech

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[–] [email protected] 114 points 4 days ago (25 children)

I don't agree. Technology in itself is not helpful nor harmful. It's a tool like a hammer or a knife or a pen and a block of paper.

I agree if one says that technology makes it easier to do harm.:) People and their motives and actions are the same as always, since the stone age and ago.

[–] [email protected] 79 points 4 days ago (4 children)

Tech speeds things up. If you want to do good, it'll help you do it faster. If you want to do evil, it'll help you do it faster.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago

A computer lets you make more mistakes faster than any other invention with the possible exceptions of handguns and Tequila.

—Mitch Ratcliffe

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (4 children)

I think the real problem is the drive to monetize so much of the technology. For instance, product owners continually try to increase engagement in their stupid apps and continually move things around and add new widgets that people don’t want, or use, all while continuing to degrade the experience of the features that they do use.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

I think when most people say something like “technology is making the world worse” they mean the technology as it actually exists and as it is actually developing, not the abstract sense of possible futures that technology could feasibly deliver.

That is clearly what the author of the piece meant.

If the main focus of people who develop most technology is getting people more addicted to their devices so they are easier to exploit then technology sucks. If the main focus is to generate immoral levels of waste to scam venture capitalists and idiots on the internet then technology sucks. If the main focus is to use technology to monetize every aspect of someone’s existence, then I think it is fair to say that technology, at this point in history, sucks.

Saying “technology is neutral” is not super insightful if, in the present moment, the trend in technological development and its central applications are mostly evil.

Saying “technology is neutral” is worse than unhelpful if, in the present moment, the people who want to use technology to harm others are also using that cliche to justify their antisocial behavior.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 4 days ago (9 children)

I disagree about such a generalization.

There are very few instances where people decide to be dumb and use technology for it but in general my life is much better thanks to technology.

My job exists due to technology, the Internet allows me to work from home, a washing machine washes my clothes, I can order food in the middle of a meeting and have it delivered on my lunch pause, I can speak to my family half a world away everyday, with video, for free, I can have the answer to any question in seconds from my a tiny device in my pocket, my car brakes automatically if I'm distracted (and heats up before I sit down in the morning)... you get the deal.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 4 days ago (24 children)

I hear you, but the writer isn't concerned with "can": If you replaced "can have the answer to any question in seconds from my a tiny device in my pocket" with "must" then you can see their dissatisfaction.

if I went to a restaurant and was told that I had to install and use their app to order their food, I would fucking leave. If it was the only restaurant left in town then I'd have much less choice in the matter. The insidious nature of technology is that it changes "can" with "must".

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

"Science" and technology under capitalism are regressive forces for violent control.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Tech =/= megacorps

That's like saying food doesn't make the world better where you mean food industry megacorps producing hunger & poverty.

[–] [email protected] 51 points 4 days ago (10 children)

"In some parts of the city, you can't even park your car anymore without downloading an app."

Omg, this. I left my phone at home by accident and quickly found out that I could not pay a meter on the area I went to .... You had to download an app to pay or use you phone to register a phone number and manually enter a plate and credit card.

No phone.....meant no parking.

Good luck too if your phone happens to run out of battery.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 4 days ago

Yep, technofeudalism is here.

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

As someone who grew up before the negative effects of computer/internet technology became apparent, and who was excited and impatient for it to develop, I agree with the points made in the article. It didn't have to be this way; in a different kind of society it could have been a boon to everyone. But in our society all the benefits of good things are appropriated by the powerful so they can more readily exploit the less powerful for profit.

So many wonderful possible benefits that might have come from these technological advancements, to help people lead better lives, to address many of society's issues (hunger, climate change, disabilities, education, etc) simply never happened, because in our society money must be invested to develop them, so only things that would make more profits for the greedy were able to be developed. Yes, some things did get funded by governments or foundations, but they're only a drop in the bucket to what could be done.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

It didn’t have to be this way; in a different kind of society it could have been a boon to everyone.

Please continue to espouse this viewpoint even under serious argument from those opposing it. Technology isn't inevitably shit. There are other types of software we can write, and other types of technology we can develop that isn't the result of some sweaty CTO hovering over our shoulders demanding that we make the world shittier for the sake of the shareholders.

We have to imagine the worlds we could've created through better choices. We have to imagine that we can change the course of things.

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[–] [email protected] 65 points 4 days ago (8 children)

For the past 20 years, tech has promised to make things more efficient while making almost everything more complicated and less meaningful. Innovation, for innovation's sake, has eroded our craftsmanship, relationships, and ability to think critically.

I feel this in my bones.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)

For many things I completely agree.

That said, we just had our second kid, and neither set of grandparents live locally. That we can video chat with our family


for free, essentially!


is astonishing. And it's not a big deal, not something we plan, just, "hey let's say hi to Gramma and Gramps!"

When I was a kid, videoconferencing was exclusive to seriously high end offices. And when we wanted to make a long distance phone call, we'd sometimes plan it in advance and buy prepaid minutes (this was on a landline, mid 90s maybe). Now my mom can just chat with her friend "across the pond" whenever she wants, from the comfort of her couch, and for zero incremental cost.

I think technology that "feels like tech" is oftentimes a time sink and a waste. But the tech we take for granted? There's some pretty amazing stuff there.

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[–] [email protected] 56 points 4 days ago

Tech is a tool. It can be benefitting the oligarchs and restrictive, or benefitting society and open source.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 days ago (5 children)

I had an Amazon bot lie to me. I told it some item didn't show up and I wanted a replacement. It said it would send one and it would show up in my orders. It never did. So I requested a refund later. So tedious.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

I dont know... This Linux thing is pretty great, IMO.

I get their point, but it feels like it's more about tech being abused by large corporations, trying to squeeze another cent out of you.

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I'm tired of people seeing everything as binary good or bad. We have more than two brain cells, and life isn't a fucking meme.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Anytime I have to replace a device I find it incredibly frustrating. It certainly seems like technology is regressing. I've had the same phone since 2016 because nothing I've looked at has enough of it has to replace it and doesn't offer anything better to make up for those deficiencies. My mouse recently developed an issue that had me looking at potential replacements and again almost nothing currently available matches it or was even close. I found two that were potentially not a downgrade and one of those had awful reviews. Instead I'm just buying the part to fix it and hopefully I'll be able to keep limping it along for the foreseeable future. Same goes for my car. Nothing new that I've seen appeals to me. They're all loaded down with infotainment bullshit that's just a pain in the ass to deal with. Those were just 3 off the top of my head. At least with software you can usually find something open source that does what you want, but if it has to be manufactured by someone else you can forget about it.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 days ago

I kinda agree with the article, I genuinely think humanity peaked with the computer of the PS2 era. Or maybe it had something to do with the patriot act. Just feels like after that things had gotten worse substantially

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 days ago

technology has the potential to make life so much better, there are two problems.

Tech that makes life better, usually doesn't create much value. Because it's either, already been created, and if it has, it's probably enshittified by now.

Go use open source FOSS tech, it's great. Contribute to the improvement of society by not using terrible technology and begin using good technology, it's free!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago

Consumer technology I can see being very toxic and also toxic for the environment because people don’t know how to recycle or purchase correctly. Commercial tech like IoT is going to help save the planet and support the majority with them knowing.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago

We'd all be better off if we learned to question tech as a gift and see it for its grift.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I'm tired of pretending companies are making the world better.

See:

The corporation

The new corporation

[–] [email protected] 35 points 4 days ago (4 children)

The internet peaked in utility around 2004. Most, if not all, developments since then have only made things worse

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I think this headline is slightly misleading. Here are some better ones:

  • Reclaiming Humanity in the Age of Overbearing Technology
  • When Convenient Tech Becomes a Burden: A Call for Human-Centric Design
  • How Modern Tech Erodes Human Interaction
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