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Discord requiring you to add a phone number after the creation of your account (sh.itjust.works)

submitted 3 days ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

What the FUCK.

I immediately went to settings and, I guess at some point I'd already given these swine my phone number? Went to remove it and I've greeted by this wonderful toast message=

1000012070

God I wish something was fully suitable as an easy discord replacement 😭 spacebar seems rad if it wasn't super alpha. And as cool as element is, it just doesn't have the same low bar to entry that discord has (not to mention group calls are jank as hell, when they work, and there's no screen share yet tragically)....

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Just change your number to something like 07777777777. That will work for the UK.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

It doesn't work for me because it asks for a code ):

[–] [email protected] 1 points 19 hours ago

We should do code swaps.

[–] [email protected] 110 points 3 days ago (11 children)

They also sell that number, all your chat logs, voice calls and media to AI training companies.

Dont be a loser, dont use discord.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Source? The only record of data being sold I remember is some 3rd-party that scraped public servers.

[–] [email protected] 48 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (7 children)

Per their privacy policy they collect

Content you create. This includes any content that you upload to the service. For example, you may write messages or posts (including drafts), send voice messages, create custom emojis, or post other content that you create with features that we develop. You may also upload and share files through the services.

Thats what they collect(so not the calls apparently my bad). In regards to how they use it, they mention advertisement stuff and the usual vague language of "improve our services" and "personalization". The AI stuff is supposedly opt in, but they collect the data and they are subject to US subpoenas so all bets are off anyways.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Of course they collect content you upload. How else do you think they maintain a chat history so people can see what was said while they were offline?

I see nothing in the privacy policy that says they can sell the data. There is, however, things that allow them to share the data with 3rd parties, including bot developers. Having developed Discord bots, I can tell you that you can get pretty unrestricted access (with the server owners cooperation) until you have been added to a bunch of servers (at which point you need Discord approval to get things like message content)

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Sadly there are a lot of communities that are only on Discord.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

And it's so annoying! Bring back forums!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Can’t Lemmy be like Forums?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago

Kinda. But this "comment" system is more set up to encourage replying to others rather than the original subject.

That would be an easy fix though.

I feel like we can't use services anymore at all. We need protocols and clients to connect to each other using those protocols and stop using centralized anything at all.

99% of what I've done in discord is a private server with like 5 or 6 regulars just to use voice coms in game.

But we already had that with TeamSpeak, Ventrilo, and Mumble. The UIs were fucking ugly as dog shit, but they worked.

Discord just came along and and combined a global (to a set of members) chat room and a voice service, where before those were separate.

Now if something is "just" a website then no one under like 25 will be able to hear of it, much less figure out how to use it. They need apps to be able to communicate.

The problem is that bigger services obviously have a problem of scale with that setup, so they start simple and get a bigger audience, then start the spying with some tiny change no one will check patch notes for.

These days we're all guilty of that.

Capitalism is again the bad guy here. Monetizing everyone's actions and identities is the particular issue. No one would feel a need to do this if it didn't lead to more profits. I'll bet there are a bunch of companies that started off good and fell to the dark side when they couldn't control their monetary appetite. (Or when younger employees took on promoted positions and saw opportunity- all they had to do was (cough cough) stop not being evil (cough cough)).

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Year of Elements/Matrix when?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago

I really like using Element, but there are so many issues besides the not so intuitive account system, that deters the average user

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

So many niche games servers tho.

FTL: Faster Than Light - Multiverse (mod community) for example, like there is literally no replacement community.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's a shame that spacebar and revolt did not really take off so far.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

this is the first time I've heard of spacebar

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Yeah, that's the problem - none has. Sadly I also only read about it here in a previous post about discord a few months ago.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

It is a trade off vs scammers

[–] [email protected] 47 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (5 children)

This is or was part of their anti-spam/flooding protection. In the server admin dashboard, you can require a phone number on the account or you can disable it and allow users without verified phone numbers to participate.

They do not require this just for a discord account last I checked. It's likely due to whatever discord server you're trying to join.

Same for Twitch. Same for a Microsoft account. It's become the new normal.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago

Discord definitely does have phone number verification on selected accounts if it thinks you are doing something suspicious. Just try making a discord account with protonmail and on a VPN and you should get a similar message.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I work in the cybersecurity field and I hate that the official discord server of one of the international orgs I'm involved in requires a phone number to participate. The irony.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I don't think many people know about sim-swap attacks, so they think people knowing their phone number is fine.

Honestly I wish people would just fucking get rid of phone-number-based OTP anyways. TOTP is where it's at.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

This is or was part of their anti-spam/flooding protection.

That's the official explanation. A phone number is a nice way to attach a real world identity to the data (which of course is sold to advertisers/data brokers etc).

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

discord's been doing this for a while, it's really scummy

other companies that do this (that I've found):

twitter (even before muskrat bought it)
facebook
probably a lot more

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Which is the reason I don’t have a discord account. I just can’t be bothered.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

I get discord mail sometimes telling me I have to log on urgently as accounts get deleted after a few years of inactivity.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago

for me it wanted one after i added too many friends at once

it some agressive anti spam "ai" that more or less randomly decides if it wants a phone number or not

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Can we just go back to irc already?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago

If we had ircv3 specs that included reactions. etc we might be. I rolled a small group of IRC servers with a few selfhost people a year back and it was quite fun. Tbh IRC itself is still alive and well, it's just not user friendly enough to get non-tech people over easily

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 days ago (15 children)

Stop using trash service

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago (2 children)

There was a server I poked around in once that required members to provide phone number just to join. Seems very unethical considering all the bad things that can happen from identity theft or stalking.... it's not like mods are employees for Discord. They're just random mofos. Why would I trust a stranger on the Internet of all places?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

The server owners can’t see your phone number. Discord allows you to set a minimum verification level for users in your server. The lowest is simply having a verified email on their account. The highest is a verified email, a few minutes old (so no brand new accounts), been in the server for a few minutes, and a verified phone number. It’s just a bot prevention thing, because spammers/scammers are a big issue on large Discord servers. Especially early in Discord’s history, it was a big issue where bots would raid a server and just totally shut it down with spam links. So Discord started allowing server owners to set minimum verification levels before users could interact and send messages.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 days ago

The server owners cannot see your phone number. It's just a way to keep bots and assholes out most of the time.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago

Just after Elon Musk’s twitter (𝕏) made it a norm~

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 days ago (2 children)

What’s really annoying as well, is that if you try to remove your phone number from your account, your account will get blocked for “suspicious activity”, after doing the required captchas it will get unlocked but your phone number is still there, trying to remove it again will just lock your account again, how is that legal?

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

Say the word!

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