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[–] [email protected] 40 points 3 days ago (4 children)

You don't get segmentation faults if you don't have an MMU. That can certainly make debugging more interesting when your firmware starts overwriting memory that it shouldn't until it finally crashes.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Sometimes you'll notice the side effects, like if you have a small OLED or LCD screen and start getting garbage characters in your strings.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 days ago

or, if you are really lucky, you can poke the right locations and release the magic blue smoke from the chips. super fun and all the cool kids are doing it.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Even if you do have an MMU, there's no guarantee that you'll get a segmentation fault from a memory bug. You can still just get the weird side effects, if you fail to access the incorrect memory.

Undefined behaviour means exactly that. You have no idea what you could get.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago

I was once working on an embedded system which did not have segmented/paged memory and had to debug an issue where memory corruption preceded an uncommanded reboot. The root cause was a for-loop gone amok, intending to loop through a linked list for ever member of an array of somewhat-large structs. The terminating condition was faulty, so this loop would write a garbage byte or two, ever few hundred bytes in memory, right off the end of the 32 bit memory boundary, wrapping around to the start of memory.

But because the loop only overwrote a few bytes and then overflew large swaths of memory, the loop would continue passing through the entire address space over and over. But since the struct size wasn't power-of-two aligned, eventually the garbage bytes would write over the crucial reset vector, which would finally reboot the system and end the misery.

Because the system wouldn't be fatally wounded immediately, the memory corruption was observable on the system until it went down, limited only by the CPU's memory bandwidth. That made it truly bizarre to diagnose, as the corruption wasn't in any one feature and changed every time.

Fun times lol

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago

MMU

it's fucked up that my first thought was "Marvel Minematic Universe"

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I made a mistake in my code.

No, it must be the language thats unsafe!

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

If you cut yourself with a knife, it might be your fault. And it might be that the knife is sharp on both sides and has no handle.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Posted on gigabytes of robust C/C++ codebase.

You cannot make a safe yet universal cutting tool. If it needs to cut, it can also cut the user. Its completely up to the user what he chooses to do with a knife and there have been many „accidents” with them. Yet we keep making and using simple knives in a form unchanged since before we could write.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 days ago

Memory safety is a skill, not a feature.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago

Write a post that leads back to a tiresome obvious discussion about a particular coding language without mentioning that coding language

now rinse wash and repeat until our eyes have no blood left to bleed

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)
$ echo 'main;' > main.c && gcc main.c 2>/dev/null && ./a.out
Segmentation fault (core dumped)
$ 
[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

echo 'main;' | gcc -w -x c - && ./a.out

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)
echo 'int main;' | gcc -w -x c - && ./a.out
[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago
echo "Segmentation fault (core dumped)"