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[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago

Highlander detected

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (5 children)

Isn't the idea of museums that you can learn about other cultures without going there?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago

holy shit I should totally call my apartment a museum so I can steal anything I want

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (10 children)

Would be funny only if Mohammad Salah was aware that Egypt wasn't always inhabited by Arabs, but by lots of different people and ethnicities. Arab Muslims just conquered and colonized Egypt, they just colonize differently than Europeans.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Is there a time period I could research for when Arab Muslims conquered Egypt?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

Iirc it was the ~~Abbasid~~ Rashidun Caliphate that was the first Muslims to take over Egypt. The ~~1000~~ years prior or so, it'd been Roman territory (Byzantine after the fall of Western Rome, but same difference).

Edit: My memory was shakey and I appreciate the correction.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

It was conquered by the Rashidun Caliphate some 1400 years ago, It had been a Roman Province for I believe just under 700 years.

Egypt's first major power since the Hellenic Lagid (Ptolemaic) Dynasty was the Later Fatimid Caliphate (The Earlier one was in Tunisia). The Fatimids were a highly underrated (both by westerners, because they aren't ancient, and by us Egyptians, because they followed a different sect of Islam which most consider heretical) golden age for Egypt, they established Cairo, and along with it one of the oldest operating universities on Earth, and were probably the most tolerant state of their time, they were Shia Muslims ruling over a majority Sunni and Christian Population, but Unlike the Safavids in Persia (who forcefully converted a major portion of their population to Shiism and were much more radical than the Fatimids), they were very tolerant and most positions of power were gained out of merit, in fact, the guy who founded Cairo (and prior to that invaded the entirety of north Africa and Egypt for the Fatimid caliphate) was a random slave's son from Sicily. The cultural renaissance that occured during their period caused accelerated arabization in Egypt as more and more people started to speak Arabic since that was the language of the new cultural powerhouse of the region.

We do not talk about al Hakim.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago

Thank you for the correction! I always seem to misremember which Caliphate was when.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago (7 children)

On one hand, sure, the British took a lot of things from other places when their empire spanned the globe. And, it sucks for places that had their stuff taken that it is no longer where it was.

On the other hand the British Museum is probably one of the safest places in the world for these things. The museum cares about preservation, knows how to do it, and has the funds to do it. And, while there's undoubtedly corruption in the UK, there's a very low chance that any of these things is going to disappear out of the museum and into some powerful person's private collection.

Mohamed Salah is standing in front of a statue from Egypt, which was taken from Egypt to London. But, the British didn't manage to take the Buddhas of Bamiyan from Afghanistan to London, and what happened? The Taliban blew them up. The British also didn't fully loot Iraq when they controlled that territory, which meant that in the 2003 war the museum was looted but not by people who wanted treasures for a public museum. The poorer and less politically stable a country is, the greater the chances that their cultural treasures will be stolen or destroyed.

Despite the repression and corruption, Egypt is now probably stable enough that if any of these items were returned to Egypt, they would probably be well treated and put on display for Egyptians to see. The power of the military in Egypt and the level of corruption probably means a few small items would disappear from the museum, but the most important items would make it. But, is Egypt stable enough that the museum would be safe for another 20, 40, 80 years? I have my doubts. I do think London is probably safe for that long.

Maybe it's just me, but I think the number one priority should be preserving these things for the future. Displaying them for the public should be a lower priority. If there are items like scrolls or clothing that are too delicate to even display behind a glass case, they should be stored away. I know that's how they handle things at the Smithsonian, and I assume the British Museum is the same. Because of that, my bias is that the most important cultural items should be in the care of the richest museums in the world, even if it means that they're not in the places they came from.

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