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The European Commission Re-Imposes €376.36 Million Fine on Intel for Anticompetitive Practices in the Market for Computer Chips (www.techpowerup.com)

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The European Commission has re-imposed a fine of around €376.36 million on Intel for a previously established abuse of dominant position in the market for computer chips called x86 central processing units ('CPUs'). Intel engaged in a series of anticompetitive practices aimed at excluding competitors from the relevant market in breach of EU antitrust rules.

With today's decision, we are re-imposing a €376.36 million fine on Intel for having abused its dominant position in the computer chips market. Intel paid its customers to limit, delay or cancel the sale of products containing computer chips of its main rival. This is illegal under our competition rules. Our decision shows the Commission's commitment to ensure that very serious antitrust breaches do not go unsanctioned. - Commissioner Didier Reynders, in charge of competition policy

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago (2 children)

So EU charges them 400m but then turn around give them 10 billion to build a plant in Germany

Setting up proper incentives ;)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Really??? Ah, why am I surprised...

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This seems pretty reasonable to me - just because someone gets a parking ticket doesn’t mean they should get their government benefits cut off

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I guess once you accept that legal entities are people subject to preferential treatment by the state, this logic checks out.

Money for buy backs of shares does not come from no where, taxpayers got to pitch in.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Yes, but fines for financial crimes should be greater than, or at the very least, equal to the money gained from said crimes.

[+] [email protected] -7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

They do that because that's the only way they can survive against AMD given how much behind Intel is in terms of CPU and GPU tech.

I have a really slim laptop featuring an AMD APU (Ryzen 7 7735U with Radeon 680M) and nearly 8 hours of battery life (browsing and office stuff), and which I can use to game (mid settings in games like Genshin Impact, on a Wayland desktop thanks to high quality open-source Linux drivers) and do GPGPU programming exactly as if I was writing CUDA thanks to their open-source HIP SDK (again, on a slim as fuck laptop with just an APU, AMD is surprisingly catching up very quickly in the GPGPU programming space this year, a few months ago I wasn't able to get HIP code to run).

Neither Intel nor NVIDIA offer anything similar right now (Intel's OneAPI DPC++ doesn't count as "exactly as if I was writing CUDA").

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They do that because that's the only way they can survive against AMD given how much behind Intel is in terms of CPU and GPU tech.

This is just blatantly false and disengenious.

Sure, Intels GPU tech is pathetic. But it's also not their business. Their only reasonable market use case is making a serviceable on board gpu for people who aren't going to buy a real GPU. AMD makes actual fucking graphics cards. Of course their GPU tech is ahead.

But Intel CPU tech is not blatantly behind AMD. Sure, there have been points where AMD has leapt ahead. But the same could be said for Intel. Sure there are advantages to some techs on the AMD side, but the same could be said for Intel. They're in competition and neither is wholy ahead of the other.

Yeah, you go on to pinpoint one specific use case that you have, which is very specific, and something less than 1% of 1% of 1% of their customers care about. Same could be said the other way.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

But the same could be said for Intel.

Give examples that don't involve shipping chips that need to be factory-overclocked and have much higher power consumption just to match AMD's chips (also: https://www.xda-developers.com/intel-core-i9-13900k-vs-amd-ryzen-9-7950x/)

For example, the Cinebench R23 results mentioned earlier had the Core i9 system consuming 461W of power, a whopping 110W higher than the 351W of the 7950X.

or bribing OEMs just so that Intel doesn't have to compete with AMD's high-end CPUs by making buying an AMD PC either impossible or very obscure.

Only an Intel fanboy can be oblivious to this and pretend that Intel is still in the CPU race. It doesn't even make sense when you add to that their anti-competitive practices. You shouldn't need to bribe OEMs to offer as few AMD options as possible if you were confident in your own CPUs.

one specific use case that you have

Same was said a long time ago about NVIDIA consumer GPUs supporting CUDA and look at where we are right now.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Even if you were correct, your obnoxious attitude would make me not care anyway. You're lying to yourself if you believe at all that AMD has better CPUs. Intel has for a long time now the best single threaded performance. The other person laid it out for you nicely. I'm not much of an Intel fanboy but you types of people are just as obnoxios as apple users. Claim to know everything but completely wrong about it.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Even if you were correct, ~~your obnoxious attitude would make me not care anyway.~~ I'll keep being ignorant.

Summarized pretty much what you said there. I'm not even exaggerating as that's what you literally said, and honestly, your first sentence is just pathetic. You deliberately say that you're choosing to be ignorant because you took it personally when I said mean things about your bad Intel purchase.

I don't see how we can have a discussion given you deal in "even if you were correct" statements so guess have a nice day.