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Police in England installed an AI camera system along a major road. It caught almost 300 drivers in its first 3 days.::An AI camera system installed along a major road in England caught 300 offenses in its first 3 days.There were 180 seat belt offenses and 117 mobile phone

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Photos flagged by the AI are then sent to a person for review.

If an offense was correctly identified, the driver is then sent either a notice of warning or intended prosecution, depending on the severity of the offense.

The AI just "identifying" offenses is the easy part. It would be interesting to know whether the AI indeed correctly identified 300 offenses or if the person reviewing the AI's images acted on 300 offenses. That's potentially a huge difference and would have been the relevant part of the news.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Am I the only one who considers the text on the camera car ("HIGHWAY MAINTENANCE") a bad joke?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

My main problem with this is, that this becomes like the huge online behemoths like youtube etc. I think most people have seen incidents where youtube cancelled a channel or applied copyright incorrectly, and getting a human to review things is next to impossible. The reason is clear, the sheer amount of content breaching the rules is too big to cost efficiently deal with by humans.

One camera catching 300 people in 72 hours. We don't see how many it triggered, how many were reviewed and found to be false positives.

The problem is going to be if a whole police force takes it up, or it goes national. The amount of hits generated would be far beyond the ability to confirm with humans. I see it going a similar way to youtube. They just let the AI fine people. You report it as wrong, so they send your petition to another AI that pretends to be human and denies you again. The only way to clear things up is to take it to court. But, now the court system is being flooded so they deny people the right to a court case and the fixed penalties will be automatically applied.

This is the dystopia I fear. Actually catching people committing driving crimes? I don't have a problem with that. Aside from maybe the increasing number of driving crimes coupled with the knowledge these cameras exist could lead to less concentration while people make sure they're sitting upright, looking attentive, eyes straight ahead hands at 10 o'clock and 2 o'clock. Did I indicate for that lane change back there? I guess that remains to be seen.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Cornwall outsourced mobile speed cameras to a private company a while ago, and realised that they, and the company, we’re making money hand over just, and due to Cornwall’s number of tourists, much of that money was coming from outside Cornwall. This feels like a development of that idea. Ethics and everything aside, if they can find a way to roll this out further and increase the flow of money into the councils coffers, they will

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oh, this can only end in tears.

And just by chance does anyone know what the damage is done to society by punishing victimless crimes?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Not wearing seatbelts and fucking around with a phone are hardly victimless crimes and those laws that punish such offenses were written in blood. Never understood people taking safety regulations lightly. It's not a fucking suggestion.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Who is the victim of not wearing a seatbelt?

Is it one of those 'you're not allowed to do things that only affect you because we're a society' type things where we should ban video games and sweet foods too?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I guess it could be argued that everybody via higher potential expense via NHS?

And the other part, mobile phones, is certainly not victimless crime.

I wonder constantly how in this day and age people still don't use hands free either in-car, speaker, or BT systems if they really MUST be talking "all the time".

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Other passengers in the car, for one. The driver losing consciousness due to hitting their head on the steering wheel or dashboard from an initial impact because of not wearing the seat belt now becomes an out-of-control vehicle that can involve anybody in the vicinity of the impact. There are plenty of victims if you just think for a sec.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What exactly happens with the car after the initial hit?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

If the impact was not straight on, a car gets redirected, usually towards pedestrians and other cars. A still conscious driver can prevent more damage from occurring.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm not against this. I think the fact that car deaths are skyrocketing in the US and the UK is even more absurd since modern cars are supposedly "safer" with all of their safety tech. Plus how are people still doing this fucking shit when death from dangerous driving has been a thing in the news forever now? It's like people need even more stricter rules to keep them in line instead of thinking like a reasonable adult.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think deaths jumped a bit post COVID but I don't think they are skyrocketing. Do you have a source?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I looked it up. They aren't skyrocketing.

The numbers dropped due to lockdown, then bounced up and are stable.

I hate this cult of negativity - just make up how everything is getting worse in order to hand more power to the government.

The casual and bovine l way it all happen is disgusting.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I love threads like these because it really shows how flexible opinions are, post about ai surveillance state and everyone is against it but post about car drivers getting fined for not wearing a seatbelt and everyone loves it.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Surely the ultimate come away from that is will not ok with people breaking the law and we're not ok with AI taking people's jobs. There is no conflict here

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago

So you think most people like the idea of a surveillance state automaticly enforcing it's every whim with perfect efficiency?

I'm pretty sure that's something pretty much universally disliked