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So Protonmail / ProtonVPN is not a good option? (lemmy.ml)

submitted 3 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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I'm trying to get rid of my Google dependency and one of those steps was moving over to Protonmail. Now in the past few days i have been picking up signals that even Protonmail is not as clean as it might be.

Does this really impact the privacy of how i use email and so is moving to Protonmail a step forward from Google, or is Protonmail just as bad?

If so, what could be alternatives?

edit:

Some of the alternatives being mentioned in the comments are:

Email:

VPN:

edit 2 (2023):

There seems to be some new activity around this post. At the time of writing the post (2 years ago) there were some stories going as user @UnfortunateShort described in their comment. This made me question the best options available at that moment. Currently i am still a Proton user, using their Mail and Calendar service, and Mullvad for VPN.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I've been using protonmail/vpn for a few years now. I've had nothing but positive experiences. That said, I think its healthy to question any business, especially those that claim to care about your privacy. I'm curious to hear what signals you've picked up on.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

There was this thing where a court forced them to log the IP and recipients mail addresses of a Prortonmail user, which was used as evidence against them in a legal process.

They released a statement that they do not collect this data unless a court orders them to, that they can't and won't collect the content of mails, which is within the law apparently, and that the law cannot force them to collect data from their VPN. They also removed the promise to never collect any data from their sites and documents, because they felt it was not appropriate under the legal circumstances.

If you want to hear my opinion about it: I give them credit for handling this transparently, explaining exactly what happened and removing a false claim from their marketing voluntarily. I do also agree that they should have never misled people into thinking Protonmail is an anonymous way of communication.

As the data collection is very limited and has to be ordered by a Swiss court, I do not feel threatened and continue to use their services.

Frankly, I think if you're actually fearing to be persecuted for something and don't want people to figure out who you talked to, you shouldn't use mails to begin with. And if you do, at least use a VPN or Tor. That's how they got the user, because they didn't and law enforcement figured out they use Protonmail + their IP with the help of the ISP.