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2024 could be the year the PC finally dumps x86 for Arm, all thanks to Windows 12 and Qualcomm's new chip::We've already reported on Qualcomm's new 12-core Arm uberchip, the Snapdragon X Elite, and its claims of x86-beating performance and efficiency. But it takes two to tango when it comes a maj

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (4 children)

The main advantage of ARM right now is that there are low power cores available. The actual instruction set is unrelated to this advantage. If Intel or AMD put more serious effort into power efficiency most of the advantages go out the window.

As for instruction set changes impacting what software you can run I think that is still a big issue. Yes porting to ARM is straitforward in more modern programming environments but most software actively developed at the moment has a lot of old cruft that won't easily port if the engineers can even be convinced to touch it. Most businesses are dependent on old software not all of which is still maintained. Most gamers are even more tied to old software that is not going to get ported and often has annoying anti-virtualization checks (see games breaking on systems with enabled intel e-cores).

I am not sure how large the modern non gaming personal pc market is (tablets, phones, works computers, and chromebooks probably took a chunk out of it) but that could be in play.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

Gaming is already a solved issue. Any console manufacturer managed to get games developed regardless of processor instruction set. All it takes is investment and a market.

Xbox and PlayStation are currently x86, but they've used different processors in the past. But Nintendo manages uses arm and gets great price/performance. For the PC market Valve could use it's marketplace to make arm and Linux work for gaming. They've made good progress but they could be more aggressive. If they lowered their rates for Linux and/or arm support the gaming industry would move. They could also use the stick as well as the carrot. If they refused to list new games that don't support Linux and arm the industry would move even faster.

I don't think gamers will move the market much either way. Apple is the biggest computer manufacturer in the world and their users don't buy their products for PC gaming. I imagine the rest of the market is similar. People are buying PCs for productive web browsing and office apps. If arm Windows and Linux machines can get half the battery performance macbooks get, they slowly displace x86 in the market for new machines. But half the problem is software optimisation for battery life. Intel macbooks got better battery life, as long as you were using safari rather than a chromium browser.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

Wake me up when they make faster ARM than my 5900x

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

2024 will be the year of ARM on desktops!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I really hope so. Everything is better than x86. Arm or even risk-v.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

m68k > *

I will die on this hill.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

A Galaxy Book 360 that runs cold and has great battery life would be perfect. I need photoshop and illustrator on a Windows machine that runs as well as a Macbook, I don't care about gaming with an ultrabook.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago
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